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October 27, 2013

When the Founding Fathers wrote our Constitution, they didn’t think it was necessary to write an article requiring that people elected to Congress behave like grown men and women. A big mistak....

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FortySixand2

Oct-28-13 10:25 AM

The latest ABCNews/WAPO poll shows an all time high unfavorable rating of 63% for the GOP. Among some constituencies.....9/12 polling vs 10/13....women jumped from 53% to 63% unfavorable. Among Seniors aged 65+...jumped from 46% to 65%! Independents... 50% to 67%! College Educated Whites....and this is most devastating....49% to 70%!

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FortySixand2

Oct-28-13 10:17 AM

ErikL, you're aware the national aggregate congressional vote was somewhere between 1 million to 1.5 million more votes for the Democrats? I understand that's not how things are settled as far as how members get elected and seated, but just throwing that out there to demonstrate the precarious position of your congressional majority in the House. Believe you me, I'd not rest comfortably if the shoe were on my foot. Your House majority position exists through one reason alone....gerrymandering. And again, I understand that to be a legitimate political tool(should be done away with). In the end, don't rest too comfortably. Have you seen the unfavorable polling data on your brand lately?

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JohnZook

Oct-27-13 8:29 PM

I'm still trying to remember how Pelosi and Read helped GWB succeed. I know Read called GWB a loser and a liar...... that's real support, isn't it?

Oh, it was when you vote for the Iraq war and then do everything possible to demonize the President for prosecuting the war.......

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eriklatranyi

Oct-27-13 3:00 PM

A great example of radical obstructionism by the House of Representatives:

"Nancy Pelosi yesterday said most Democrats approve leadership’s strategy of not having their own Social Security reform plan for now and of focusing on defeating President Bush’s plan."

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eriklatranyi

Oct-27-13 2:57 PM

"Not once did the Speaker of the House set an agenda similar to that set by John Boehner to make GW fail." - sideliner

No, in early 2005, Speaker Pelosi met with Syria's Assad where they both undermined the White House's foreign policy.

Pelosi went on to say that there is a new face in US foreign policy.

Another liberal liar exposed.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-27-13 2:50 PM

FortySixand2 said:

"Elections have consequences!"

That's right! The House of Representatives is under GOP control.

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gavinf56

Oct-27-13 2:35 PM

"Not once did the Speaker of the House set an agenda similar to that set by John Boehner to make GW fail." - sideliner

Boehner never said that, it was McConnell in the Senate.

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FortySixand2

Oct-27-13 2:10 PM

Of, by and for the millions more than voted for McCain and Romney? Elections have consequences! Don't go crying that a left leaning centrist Democrat doesn't enact a rightist agenda! Sheeesh!

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rmiller

Oct-27-13 2:03 PM

"But our government should be of the people, by the people, and FOR the people, "

And, Mr. Vosk, we are still waiting for this president to understand that.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-27-13 1:50 PM

Sullivan:

I don't regret calling Vosk an intentional liar.

Liberals use lies to further their agenda and cloud issues.

Vosk knows how gov't works. But he intentionally lies because it is not going his way right now.

Vosk praised Hillary Clinton for saying we have a right to debate and disagree with any president. But that was when Bush43 was in office.

He is intentionally lying to deceive those who do not pay attention.

Coincidentally, satan used the same tactics.

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Ritty77

Oct-27-13 12:10 PM

"How does one attain this level of stupid?....Sarah Palin claims Jesus celebrated Easter."

Apparently by falling for a satirical post from The Daily Currant. See Snopes for your particular level of stupid.

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FortySixand2

Oct-27-13 11:40 AM

And to put that in perspective.... one was a Vice Presidential candidate and the other two were both at one point front-runners for the GOP presidential primaries!

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FortySixand2

Oct-27-13 11:34 AM

Another knee slapper!...Herman Cain says sexual harassment charges were "orchestrated by the Devil"!

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FortySixand2

Oct-27-13 11:26 AM

How does one attain this level of stupid?....Sarah Palin claims Jesus celebrated Easter. Another gem... Michelle Bachmann wants to ban "satanic Halloween candy"!

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sideliner

Oct-27-13 11:02 AM

kike: "I certainly hope Arno remembers those from the Democratic party who thought their mission was to make GW Bush fail."

Not once did the Speaker of the House set an agenda similar to that set by John Boehner to make GW fail. There may have been some in Congress that wanted that, but it was never set as a Democratic Party mission as was done by the current Speaker.

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Garben78

Oct-27-13 10:45 AM

Well Mr.Vosk I saw no mention on any ballot about a healthcare law that I would've liked to have been able to say yes or no too and not be dictated to do so in our so called free country. I also see no reason to cry when your losing when it's the exact results if how your playing. It's way too late in the game to blame it on Bush so let's just listen to what the American people want not what some 80 year old legislatures who don't remember the reason they are in washington. Or some wannabe dictator forcing his dirty agenda upon us

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CMReeder

Oct-27-13 9:58 AM

So Senator Cruz has been elevated above the office of President. Fascinating.

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Sullivan11

Oct-27-13 9:31 AM

erik, I usually agree with your political opinions and I agree with you now, but I object to your presentation in this case.

Calling Arno Vosk (I refuse to use the title "Dr." because his profession is irrelevent to the discussion) is, IMHO, uneccessary and counterproductive.

Those people who may not be familiar with the issues will be immediately turned off by your combative language.

I almost always disagree with Arno Vosk's politics, but I do not believe he is being consciously untruthful. Even if he was, calling him a liar destroys the credibility of the writer and to an extent, the conservative cause.

Just MHO.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-27-13 8:47 AM

Dr. Vosk is a liar and he is intentionally spreading disinformation.

Yes, President Obama won the election in 2012, but so did Senator Ted Cruz.

Dr. Vosk wants us to only validate President Obama's election while invalidating Senator Cruz's election.

That is dishonest, deplorable and a despicable attitude.

Dr. Vosk should be ashamed, but he is a liberal, so hypocrisy is just part of his character.

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CMReeder

Oct-27-13 8:45 AM

Good letter!

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Sullivan11

Oct-27-13 8:14 AM

Hope..wrote, "Arno Vosk We do not live in a democracy. Our form of government is a Representative Republic. That is the reason those who disagree can disagree and make a difference. In a Democracy winner takes all."

Yes and no. "Democracy" is an ambiguous word. While a pure democracy is a form of govt where all citizens have an equal vote on all issues, "democracy" also means that citizens elect their representatives.

Hence, we are a democratic republic.

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Sullivan11

Oct-27-13 8:09 AM

Arno Vosk, might I respectfully suggest you spend some time reading The Constitution and it's supporting documents.

You will find that our Founding Fathers' greatest single fear for our new nation was not the Brits, the Spanish, the French or the Indians. Their greatest fear for the survival of this young nation was a large, unaccountable central government. So....whatcha think? Were their fears well founded?

The Constitution is a document of GOVERNMENT control. It allows government to do only what is specified in that document AND NO MORE. All other matters were to be controlled by the individual states. The problem? We now live in a post-Constitutional era because We The People have allowed our govenment to ignore that founding document.

Example: Where in The Constitution is the fed permitted to control my healthcare? Please don't insult me by referring to the interstate commerce clause.

Any thoughts?

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mikekerstetter

Oct-27-13 8:03 AM

I certainly hope Arno remembers those from the Democratic party who thought their mission was to make GW Bush fail.... Neither side is blameless in that game.

And yes, both sides need to act like adults. Adults would put party affiliation aside and come up with amicable solutions so the American people didn't have to suffer.

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hopeforfuture

Oct-27-13 7:59 AM

Arno Vosk We do not live in a democracy. Our form of government is a Representative Republic. That is the reason those who disagree can disagree and make a difference. In a Democracy winner takes all.

Our forefathers were wise men.

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gavinf56

Oct-27-13 7:29 AM

"But our government should be of the people, by the people, and FOR the people, not just for a minority who think a legitimate way to try to win a game is by destroying it." - Arno Vosk

What seems to be misunderstood here is that the House of Representatives is working exactly like our founding fathers intended. It was set up to represent the people with whom they represent.

The Senate was set up to ensure that legislation would be slowed down and debated fully, and to ensure that the will of the majority could not overrule the will of the minority.

Both sides like to complain that Congress isn't working together when they can't get their way, when in fact it is working exactly as it was designed.

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