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Judge endorsement

October 29, 2013

The general election is coming upon us. There is a choice for the Pennsylvania Superior Court Justice and the choice couldn’t be clearer....

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JohnHilfirty

Oct-30-13 3:35 PM

Capricorn1

"John, if you don't think there isn't politics in the judicial system then you have your head in the sand."

I'll translate that to mean: "If you think there isn't politics in the judicial system ..."

Nope, my head is not in the sand. In between 1986 and 2006 I worked as a paralegal in Lycoming County and elsewhere. Trust me, I've seen just about everything imaginable and then some!

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JohnHilfirty

Oct-30-13 2:13 PM

Capricorn1: "I'll stand by my question that was never answered by Shaman, or you according to most, how can the people be qualified to vote for the President of the United States, but not for a local judge?"

If people can avoid hearing details (pro or con) about any presidential candidate during the year long + campaign, I don't know how they could do it! Information is so plentiful it's almost inescapable!

Conversely, unless one personally knows a candidate for a local (or any) judgeship, little or nothing is known about them. They never discuss their position on anything, except their experience, and can't do so by law.

Pretty simple, right?

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JohnHilfirty

Oct-30-13 1:49 PM

"based upon his "solid" appellate experience, "strong intellect", "passion for the law", and "even temperament"."

"What about justice and the Constitution, where does he stand on those?" - enigma

ANSWER:

All four categories would result in pursuing justice.

The Constitution is LAW. Experience - Intelligence - Passion for LAW would all factor into following the Constitution.

Seems pretty easy to figure out!

Right?

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Capricorn1

Oct-30-13 12:42 PM

John, if you don't think there isn't politics in the judicial system then you have your head in the sand. LoL just take a look at our Supreme Court! And as far as being against the code of ethics, you are correct so it shouldn't be a problem. I'll stand by my question that was never answered by Shaman, or you according to most, how can the people be qualified to vote for the President of the United States, but not for a local judge?

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JohnHilfirty

Oct-30-13 11:41 AM

cont:

..... The last time was in 2008.

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JohnHilfirty

Oct-30-13 11:37 AM

Capricorn1

"... What is the difference in prior or future litigants that contribute to a judges campaign and corporations and unions that lobby Congress and contribute to campaigns?

ANSWER: The first action would be a clear violation of The Judicial Canon of Ethics (if not openly disclosed, or recusal); while campaign contributions are not only LEGAL, but virtually secret, (thanks to the "Citizens United" decision by the conservative controlled U.S. Supreme Court).

"Like I said, it's politics as usual."

ANSWER: Wrong again!

3 SEPARATE Government branches:

Judicial (NON-political.)

Executive (Political) Legislative " "

"It was easy for the judge you quoted to make the comment he did seeing as he was an appointed judge."

ANSWER: FALSE, once again.

The Judge you are making false statements about is former Texas Chief Justice Wallace Jefferson, now a U.S. District Court Judge. He has been elected by voters (the last time w

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CarlHiller

Oct-30-13 7:25 AM

Hi Ritty77 - I believe it would be called a scare quote which would in essence mean, "that it may not signify its apparent meaning or that it is not necessarily the way the quoting person would express its concept". When referred to as "scare quotes", the quotation marks are suggested to imply skepticism or disagreement with the quoted terminology. Simply because I am no fan of the Bar, that is exactly the way I intended the quotations to mean. It really doesn't matter which one is elected because neither professes an adherence to constitutional law. So one is as good as the other.

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MrShaman

Oct-30-13 6:53 AM

"I didn't change the subject..." - Capricorn1

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The subject (if you really need to be reminded) was whether-or-not the average-citizen is competent-enough (about the Law), to be trusted with electing Judges.

You decided lobbyists were (somehow) relevant to the subject. Lobbyists (if you need to be reminded) don't dispense with justice. They're (merely) p i m p s for whoever has the larger bank-account.

I'm sure this will (all) sink-in...for you...eventually.

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MrShaman

Oct-30-13 6:46 AM

"based upon his "solid" appellate experience, "strong intellect", "passion for the law", and "even temperament"."

What about justice and the Constitution, where does he stand on those?" - enigma

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You've ALREADY contacted the Pennsylvania Bar Association with your concerns??

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MrShaman

Oct-30-13 6:41 AM

If the people are not qualified enough to elect a judge, who is qualified to appoint one? We have judges who are appointed that have been question about their abilities. -Reeder

Exactly!" - Capricorn1

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Please!!!

The ONLY candidate...(for a PA-judge appointment) who'd satisfy you T-Bagger types...would be the individual who'd convinced you they were a direct-descendent of Judge Roy Bean.

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MrShaman

Oct-30-13 6:33 AM

"If the people are not qualified enough to elect a judge, who is qualified to appoint one?" - CMReeder

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Gee...how about "the Pennsylvania Bar Association"...that had endorsed Mr. Stabile..."based upon his "solid" appellate experience, "strong intellect", "passion for the law", and "even temperament"...you know, people who KNOW a "little" something about application of the Law??

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MrShaman

Oct-30-13 6:31 AM

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Gee...how about "the Pennsylvania Bar Association"...that had endorsed Mr. Stabile..."based upon his "solid" appellate experience, "strong intellect", "passion for the law", and "even temperament"...you know, people who KNOW a "little" something about application of the Law??

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eriklatranyi

Oct-29-13 5:50 PM

Ritty:

I believe "recommended" by the bar just means they are an attorney in good standing with the bar association, nothing more.

I don't think the bar (or any other group) should be the sole arbiter for how judges are selected.

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Capricorn1

Oct-29-13 5:33 PM

I didn't change the subject and you didn't answer the question as usual. What is the difference in prior or future litigants that contribute to a judges campaign and corporations and unions that lobby Congress and contribute to campaigns? Like I said, it's politics as usual. It was easy for the judge you quoted to make the comment he did seeing as he was an appointed judge.

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enigma

Oct-29-13 5:02 PM

"based upon his "solid" appellate experience, "strong intellect", "passion for the law", and "even temperament"."

What about justice and the Constitution, where does he stand on those?

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MrShaman

Oct-29-13 4:58 PM

"Even to mail campaign literature, you’ve got to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars” — and that money has to come from somewhere. In the past, it’s often come from litigants with business before the court." -Shaman

And that differs from lobbyist that donate to congressional and presidential campaigns how?" - Capricorn1

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Aw, gee....another change-o'-subject.

I'm "shocked".

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Capricorn1

Oct-29-13 3:44 PM

"Even to mail campaign literature, you’ve got to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars” — and that money has to come from somewhere. In the past, it’s often come from litigants with business before the court." -Shaman

And that differs from lobbyist that donate to congressional and presidential campaigns how? They too end up getting favors in return. It's called politics as usual.

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Ritty77

Oct-29-13 2:19 PM

Carl, I see you put "recommended" in quotes. I remember reading or hearing something a while ago about how that really doesn't mean what it sounds like. I forget what the deal was. Anyhow, just caught my eye, is all.

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MrShaman

Oct-29-13 1:59 PM

So...you're in-favor of incompetency, where laws/delivery-of are involved, huh? -Shaman

You are insinuating that the American people are not intelligent enough to vote for a qualified judge." - Capricorn1

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Correct. -Shaman

Do you realize how asinine that sounds?" - Capricorn1

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Stand-down, Jarhead!!

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See:

Former Texas Chief Justice Explains Why Judicial Elections Are A Terrible Idea

"Even to mail campaign literature, you’ve got to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars” — and that money has to come from somewhere. In the past, it’s often come from litigants with business before the court."

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CarlHiller

Oct-29-13 1:44 PM

There are actually 2 good choices for this Superior Court judgeship, Jack McVay and Vic Stabile. Either would be a good choice. Both have received a"recommended" rating from the PA Bar Assoc.

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Capricorn1

Oct-29-13 12:59 PM

If the people are not qualified enough to elect a judge, who is qualified to appoint one? We have judges who are appointed that have been question about their abilities. -Reeder

Exactly!

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CMReeder

Oct-29-13 12:55 PM

If the people are not qualified enough to elect a judge, who is qualified to appoint one? We have judges who are appointed that have been question about their abilities.

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Capricorn1

Oct-29-13 12:51 PM

So...you're in-favor of incompetency, where laws/delivery-of are involved, huh? -Shaman

You are insinuating that the American people are not intelligent enough to vote for a qualified judge." - Capricorn1

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Correct. -Shaman

Do you realize how asinine that sounds? You trust Americans to vote for the person to hold the highest office in the country and has the power at his fingertips to start a nuclear war, but they aren't qualified to elect a local judge. Are you really that inept or did a judge in your past give you a bad rap?

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KrazyK

Oct-29-13 12:34 PM

I question the use of LTE's to directly endorse candidates at election time.

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rredrose

Oct-29-13 12:14 PM

I just need to let you all know, we should be concerned! I think Mr Shaman needs a top notch neurosurgeon! He seems to be missing his own brain! Quoting all the other peoples' opinions and websites, etc.

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