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Is the Pope still Catholic?

October 31, 2013

“Cafeteria Catholics” who have been looking to Pope Francis I to usher in changes in any Roman Catholic positions like the Church’s opposition to birth control should take note of this recent news......

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FortySixand2

Nov-04-13 9:34 PM

Wow, I like this statement. Ask yourself if you agree with this statement..."A Christian's religious belief system, when tested and exposed to contradictory facts and evidence from Biblical languages, Biblical history, Biblical culture, and Archeology, Astronomy, Astro-Theology, Christian Gnosticism, and Modern Scholarship must in the Spirit of Truth and Repentance, be flexible enough to change..."...Craig M. Lyons M.Div. Are we just lemmings for the local Baptist preacher? Or are we autonomous, thinking and reasoning for ourselves when we come upon new or contradictory information?

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FortySixand2

Nov-04-13 9:10 PM

Just as I'd expect. Obfuscation and distorting what I said. I never said every single detail matched. And then you throw out a bunch of details that don't match and say, "see you're wrong." Whatever.... Jesus was the last in a long line of the "sun/son gods" and literally hundreds of exact similarities existed with all of them. But whatever....

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-03-13 9:35 PM

then they conceived the son Horus. Doesn't sound like a virgin birth to me. Jesus did have twelve disciples which is probably coincidence with the twelve signs of the Zodiac. Some cultures have different count of the Zodiac. Of course, thousands of years before the twelve disciples, there were twelve sons of Jacob which became the twelve tribes of Israel. Twelve disciples and twelve Zodiac seems like a coincidence. Sun vs. son; maybe we need to compare with the letters/words in the original languages. Just my thoughts.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-03-13 9:34 PM

FortySixand2,

Watched the 1st 30-40 minutes of Zeitgeist. The comparison between Horus and Jesus looks a big bunch of smoke and mirrors. Where did they get this stuff? Do you believe all this? The Bible makes no claim that Jesus Christ was born on the 25th of December so who cares when Horus was born! Horus was the sky-god in the shape of a falcon (according to my 1965 Encyclopedia Britannica (EB)); the Bible does not portray Jesus like this. Horus was supposed to have been incarnated into several of the Egyptian kings; five of them had his name; almost sounds like the term Caesar in Rome. Horus' father (Osiris) was killed and Horus avenged his death. God the Father wasn't killed and Jesus didn't avenge him. Concerning the birth of Horus, nothing mentioned in my EB but several websites say the father was killed, cut in pieces and reconstructed except for the penis which was thrown in a river and ate by a fish. So the wife, made a penis and attached it; then they conceived t

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-03-13 5:33 PM

FortySixand2,

I will try to find the Zeitgeist that you recommend and view it, as long as it meets some good viewing guidelines of language and s e xu ally explicitness. A quick read on Wikipedia raises some concerns.

FYI, I have seen some comparisons in the past that show there were so many (thousands) of gods and goddesses in the ancient worlds that some were bound to be close to the story of Jesus; however, they usually didn't meet some of the specificity. One example is the Virgin Birth/Immaculate Conception where a celestial god has relationship with a human woman/young maiden; similar but not the same. Or another similarity is to the Resurrection of Christ from the death but some myths have a human becoming a celestial god or just disappearing and it is assumed they went into a "heaven" of some sort. Then there is still the specificity of the gospel story and witness accountings in the New Testament.

I will go find it somewhere but it may be a couple of days.

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FortySixand2

Nov-03-13 12:47 PM

Have you taken the time to look up Zetgeist? The opening segment is something like 35 minutes long. Very informative and entertaining. I'd like to hear the explanations for the myriad of outright identical histrionics surrounding all the "sun gods" including Jesus, ie..virgin birth, 12 disciples, death and resurrection. It's been awhile since I've seen it. But very eye opening stuff to behold. As far as eternal damnation...yeah, I simply reserve for myself the right to wait and see on that one. No other man is going to scare me into believing anything.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-03-13 7:47 AM

BTW, getting Jesus "right" does have an impact on your eternal destiny. I'm sure you have heard this a handful of times but just in case, I wanted to make sure you knew.

Thanks for taking time to share.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-03-13 7:43 AM

FortySixand2,

I am deeply sorry to hear about the incident with your cousins son. I hope they prosecuted the molester and dealt with him appropriately. These incidents that you mentioned are contrary to what God expects all of us (and Christians) to do. That is why I always point to God - the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit for righteousness, holiness and truth. People are sinners and a "work in progress".

Concerning the historicity of Jesus Christ, I hope that you take time to look at less biased and more orthodox apologetics.

Concerning speaking in tongues, well God reveals Himself to people through logical teaching and reasoning, miracles, emotional comfort in times of pain and hurt, and even to peoples in the early church though God-given combination of speaking in tongues and interpretation. If from God to glorify God, then it is real; if man does it to glorify himself (see how righteous I am) then it is wrong.

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FortySixand2

Nov-02-13 11:36 PM

At this stage in my journey, I've learned that Jesus was possibly an entirely fictional character. Created for societal political concerns. Ever see the Zeitgeist(free on youtube) movie? I highly recommend it. At least the 1st segment concerning Jesus as the latest in a looooonnnggg line of "sun gods", all of them with remarkable repetitive similarities which baffle the mind. But in a more real world sense, I've seen enough BS in the church to last a lifetime. And I don't mean the catholic church. I was raised in a non-denominational evangelical church. I witnessed some otherworldly stuff in that church that a young mind couldn't help but question outright. Speaking in tongues. Faith healing. Really? Passed out in the holy spirit. You've got to be kidding me! A head pastor as pedophile(abused my cousin's son). An assistant pastor's wife having an affair with the church janitor. Yeah, I know. How can you hold all that against Jesus? Sorry, I'm human.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-01-13 7:15 PM

"Rmiller, I was raised in the church. Graduated from a Christian Academy. Let's just say I'm in the "free will" segment of my journey."--FortySixand2

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Are you turned off to both Jesus and the church? If turned off to Jesus, what was the reason(s)?

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FortySixand2

Oct-31-13 8:15 PM

Rmiller, I was raised in the church. Graduated from a Christian Academy. Let's just say I'm in the "free will" segment of my journey.

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MisMac

Oct-31-13 3:37 PM

My bad, I did not intend on implying rmiller was a lesbian. Panties can now be unbunched:}

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CMReeder

Oct-31-13 1:52 PM

The r in rmiller is for Relene and she found a very nice dude who married her.

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enoughalready

Oct-31-13 1:51 PM

MisMac, now you'll really have rmillers righteous religion panties in a bunch thinking she is married to a woman. LOL

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MisMac

Oct-31-13 1:37 PM

rmiller, you be scary, Dude....Booo! And, boy oh boy, were able to actually find a woman to marry you??

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KrazyK

Oct-31-13 1:11 PM

Father Reynolds was a maverick - running around advocating change. Change comes from the top; otherwise you tow the line. He also disobeyed direct orders from his bosses. The pope is Catholic; he has two legs and tells tales.

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enoughalready

Oct-31-13 12:27 PM

Unless a religion follows everything in the Bible, exactly the way it was written, they are ALL "cafeteria" religions.

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rmiller

Oct-31-13 11:12 AM

"Ok, let me get my hard hat to protect myself from the coming biblical sledgehammer."

Nothing more coming from this end, I'm done casting y pearls before the swine."

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rmiller

Oct-31-13 11:11 AM

Great post enigma!

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rmiller

Oct-31-13 11:09 AM

"Christians look around them and wonder why the pews are looking more empty by the week."

How would you know something like that?

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FortySixand2

Oct-31-13 9:55 AM

Pope Frank. I like that! Makes him approachable.

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richardson

Oct-31-13 9:32 AM

Enigma: Tale worked better for me for what you were saying. Forty-six: I agree and have said thus in previous posts.

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CMReeder

Oct-31-13 9:28 AM

I do like that he spoke out against the political ideologies being involved in religion.

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FortySixand2

Oct-31-13 9:13 AM

Christians look around them and wonder why the pews are looking more empty by the week. Perhaps exclusionary dogma might be the answer. If less and less people want to join your club, the problem is you, not them. Ok, let me get my hard hat to protect myself from the coming biblical sledgehammer.

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CMReeder

Oct-31-13 9:03 AM

Some Catholics are going to like the new Pope and some are not. He is very straight forward and a minimalist. He is seen as truly being the protector of the spirit of the Church.

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