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Free cheese

November 1, 2013

There is always free cheese in a mouse trap! "Oh look, free cheese!" And then... Whack! The government promises free stuff all of the time....

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mikekerstetter

Nov-02-13 1:35 PM

Dr Sullivan is on another roll.

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gavinf56

Nov-02-13 11:37 AM

Do you even read the stuff you link to?

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 10:38 AM

"On the 2nd part, trickle down worked pretty good until President Clinton signed those trade agreements." - gavinf56

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You've been reading too-many o' those Texas-approved "history"-textbooks.

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See:

American Politics Journal -- The Real Reagan Legacy

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 9:59 AM

Shaman, Nov. 01-13 09:49, “If you have hard facts that show welfare "is a way of life passed down from generation to generation", let's SEE it!!!”

Take a ride through Renovo some time. As I said, you don’t want to listen to or consider anything but your own dribble." - North40

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...And, exactly which o' those individuals (in Renovo) are in-possession o' the plethora of "facts" (you insist exist)??

BTW...that's d-r-i-v-e-l,...not dribble. You T-Baggers (consistently) get that one wrong.

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 9:51 AM

"Oh, if you force the doctor to provide his labor at a level below market rates, you are still no better than the pimp who allows the sex slave to keep $10 of the $30 she earned for him." - eriklatranyi

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You surely-do come-up with some really stupid/sophomoric analogies. You can't possibly be an adult.

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 9:47 AM

Mr. Reeder:

Healthcare is not a right.

Healthcare is the fruit of a person's labor who went to school and trained intensively." - eriklatranyi

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So, those folks who couldn't afford an advanced-education...or, only have the aptitude to work a minimum-wage job...have an OBLIGATION to die, from poor health??

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 9:36 AM

Mr. Reeder, just as an example, If you stopped feeding your cat ( I know you never would) would he/she just lay there and die of starvation? I'm guessing he/she would be looking for some moles, mousies , squirrels, etc. It's called being self reliant and self sufficient. Why is it animals know enough to do this but us humans don't?" - Tgrammiex4

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Gee...maybe, because, gallons o' milk & loaves o' bread aren't running-free...like "moles, mousies , squirrels, etc."???

Where do "conservatives" get the impression it'll be LESS-expensive convicting/confining people, for theft...when they start stealing food??

Granted, it'll help satisfy "conservatives'" sadistic-need to see (other) people suffering...but, it doesn't make a whole-lotta-sense (economically), making it MORE difficult for "those people" to eat.

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 9:15 AM

"Poverty robs one of rights also."-Chuck

"Please tell us what rights you lose with poverty."-Erik

Erik, You're not supposed to ask that. You're just supposed to accept the ridiculous assertions of the left." - enigma

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...Primarily from someone who's (actually) BEEN "there"...as-opposed to one o' Porky Limbaugh's Dead-O-Heads...who've never really been much of anywhere.

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See:

Democracy, Psychology and Healthcare - Tony Benn (2007) - YouTube

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 8:54 AM

"So Shaman, apparently, you're saying the primary purpose of voter I.D. is to prevent non-poor blacks from voting." - cheyenne

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No. That would-have-been Don Yelton who'd admitted that.

Try: Google News

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CMReeder

Nov-02-13 8:37 AM

Relene what you think that the 'moralists' here are moral to begin with?

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CMReeder

Nov-02-13 8:36 AM

You will never change liberal's mind when it comes to big government and these government assistance programs.- Capricorn1

A few bad apples is a poor argument with anybody with half a brain. - robert72

It amazes me, the number of people who refuse to understand the simple truth of this LTE - enigma

Healthcare is not a right - Erik

Well you are never going to change a copnservative's mind about big government. So Robert why did you make the argument then? What exacxtly is the simple truth enigma? Erik believes that unchecked diseases in society is a right.

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CMReeder

Nov-02-13 8:20 AM

Tgrammiex4 posted; Mr. Reeder, I stated it was an EXAMPLE, nothing more. No, I don't dump cats, currently the 3 I have are all dumpees, the oldest being 18.I'm sorry the one you took in didn't survive. I have no problem with giving anyone assistance who is at least trying to do for themselves.

In your example you said that if you stopped feeding a cat they would survive by providing for themselves. I showed you that they don't.

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spike2

Nov-02-13 7:31 AM

Not bad,rmiller. I agree as long as their are jobs to be had within an individual's skill set.

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mikekerstetter

Nov-02-13 6:52 AM

Rmiller, not a bad plan at all. As long as we have jobs for the people to work.

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mikekerstetter

Nov-02-13 6:51 AM

eriklatranyi-"Liberals try to tell us that many of these citizens are uneducated (even though we spend over $10,000 per student per year in free education), but somehow, they learn how to manipulate these social programs to the point of fraud with incredible skill!"

Yep. The state of LA, at a Walmart, a welfare recipient gets on their phone and calls all their friends who call all of their friends and tells them that the EBT system is malfunctioning and they can go in and get as much as they want because there is no balance showing. They empty food shelves in record time. Yep, the rats in the system smelled the free cheese and came running.

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USABorn

Nov-02-13 3:47 AM

North40 - 8:25 AM

"Cont: Shaman, don’t really want to hear anything but yourself and your redundant statements are old. Reading these comments has become much simpler, I just skip over yours, well most of the time."

North40 - Sham is a pitiful bloviator who likes to "hear" himself talk. His same old, same old comments are boringly alike. It's like he has a "stock" of comments which he uses. You know, just pick one and slap it up there. Nothing he says is worth reading because 99.99% of his comments are just so much manure/prevarications.

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rmiller

Nov-01-13 11:39 PM

Steeelmen,

Your post is spot on with respect to work versus collecting. Herein is the crux of the problem and you indeed offered a viable solution. First you get a job. Obviously, minimum wage won't cut it and coupled with your pay stubs and utility bills (not to include cable) food, cleaning necessities, car payment, insurance, rent, and some clothes allowance (and please shop as I do, garage sales and thrift stores, and we'll help with the groceries, an additional monetary add on, and help with your rent and we might just slash this welfare debt by half. One, govt. doesn't need to supply as much, and your working is contributing back to society.

What, no takers?

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rmiller

Nov-01-13 11:28 PM

"Someone is drinking alright and it is the moralists."

Uh, it's s sin to be a moralist? Indeed, what is wrong with being a moralist. Here's where your statement doesn't connect the dots. You are assuming that moralists must be wrong in their perception of morality. So, Chuck, once again why is wrong to be right...I mean moralist is not a bad word, is it?

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eriklatranyi

Nov-01-13 6:47 PM

Liberals try to tell us that many of these citizens are uneducated (even though we spend over $10,000 per student per year in free education), but somehow, they learn how to manipulate these social programs to the point of fraud with incredible skill!

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Capricorn1

Nov-01-13 6:33 PM

I agree Francine... excellent comment North40!

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enigma

Nov-01-13 4:56 PM

It amazes me, the number of people who refuse to understand the simple truth of this LTE.

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Steelman

Nov-01-13 3:03 PM

Robert 27 same thing with me. I have employees refusing to work overtime because then they cannot collect. I say but you will earn more than you can collect, and they say but then I have to work more hours. Touche!

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Steelman

Nov-01-13 2:59 PM

Sideline not saying that assistance is not needed for some. I have no issues there. Supply a pay stub monthly proving that you are in fact trying to support your family, but the wages just aren't cutting it, then I am all for assistance. It is the people that just sit back and collect that are in the wrong.

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Capricorn1

Nov-01-13 2:24 PM

Robert, I have a friend that manages a local drug store chain and she told me the exact same thing. She said that it happens more times than not.

I have a question for those on the left, what excuse do you have for the incident in Louisiana, and do you think the same thing could happen anywhere in the U.S in the event of a similar "glitch"?

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Capricorn1

Nov-01-13 2:16 PM

You will never change liberal's mind when it comes to big government and these government assistance programs. As long as they have the mentality that these programs are efficient and effective, they will continue to grow which is evident by just looking at the numbers the last four years. How someone with a family of four making 3k a month still needs food stamps in government's eyes is beyond me. Eventually they will have no choice but to cut these programs because they can't be sustained at this rate. That is evident by SNAP being cut recently. So now those that really need it suffer because the system is broken, there is wide spread abuse and qualification guidelines have been expanded unnecessarily. The entire system needs revamped but it will never happen under democratic leadership. So who are they really helping?

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