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Some will never learn

November 2, 2013

As the government health insurance law is being implemented, it’s apparent that not only are there many unfavorable unintended consequences to the law, what’s even worse, there are there are many......

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USABorn

Nov-04-13 1:21 PM

This forum has democrats, republicans, independents, libertarians, and then there is Francine!

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Ritty77

Nov-02-13 4:41 PM

Good letter, Phil. Of course, a rambling and incoherent rebuttal has likely already been submitted.

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mikekerstetter

Nov-02-13 1:45 PM

Totex, we usually agree, but I have to disagree somewhat with your assessment. I believe that the way we pay for health care may be changing, but I don't think Obamacare is here to stay. The rising cost of health care and health insurance is something that needed addressed. Unfortunately Obamacare was the way to address it. In the end single payer or socialized health care may not be the ideal way to go either. I think if nothing else, it has brought health care cost to the forefront. What we need now is for the people to use their votes to eliminate the gridlock that is Washington DC. That is the first start.

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JohnZook

Nov-02-13 9:49 AM

Just another scandal/crisis that "O" read about in the paper. Can you imagine the outcry and calls for impeachment, (and the follow through) if this was GWB? But, the Dems sit quietly by and support their president as ordered. The media mostly concentrates on how the Republicans are obstructing progress and fighting between themselves while the stock market gets rich on digitized money that can never be paid back. Meanwhile the President is gutting the Military of it's ranking officers who won't violate the Constitution by disarming or firing on U.S. Citizens. Folks, it's a Liberal Paradise. And there WILL be refugees from the United States.

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underwood

Nov-02-13 9:44 AM

I don’t believe the system will stay as is, I believe as problems surface they’ll be “solved” with ever more government control until government controls the entire health system. And I believe that was the plan from the beginning.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-02-13 9:44 AM

Don't forget...liberals see healthcare as a right....which means liberals believe in reinstating slavery.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-02-13 9:37 AM

Phil said:

"The goal isn’t a single payer system; it’s a government takeover of a major part of the market."

Exactly!

SEIU is drooling to unionize all those nurses and healthcare workers.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-02-13 9:28 AM

Cont>>

divided that the system will stay as screwed up as it is. So either stay where you are and live with the gloomy future, become a successful politician yourself and put the screws to others, build your own survivalist retreat and disappear off the grid, move to another country or your own island, buy your own farm and become self-sufficient, or just live trusting in God while you pray for revival and witness to others while looking forward to eternity in heaven.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-02-13 9:27 AM

We can sit here and blame the liberal, socialized, big government, big bank, big healthcare, big real estate, big corporation, Marxist, progressive, tea party, split republicans, etc but it ain't going to change things. ObamaCare is here to stay.

It may be tweaked and modified some. The online registration will be made workable. People will not have access restored to their previous lower cost health insurance plans. HealthCare companies will be making tons of money off this and will funnel enough campaign reelection money to congressmen to keep this from being a government run organization. The younger generations will be "taxed" to pay their share and that of older people. To reduce costs, sicker/older people will eventually be denied treatment because they are not as "valuable" to society.

Most of the politicians don't care about this being a workable system; it is about them being re-elected and getting rich off the system. They have the citizens so

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underwood

Nov-02-13 9:22 AM

“Let's get to the real core of the problem.....President Obama's lying!”

Erik, the left sees this as no more than narrative, which they believe is quite acceptable if it furthers the cause.

The goal isn’t a single payer system; it’s a government takeover of a major part of the market.

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 8:46 AM

"Mike, I should clarify, I think you'll get your wish for universal healthcare in the coming years, but the solutions for funding it will never happen and just like every other government endeavor, they'll implement the plan using bogus numbers and worry about paying for it later." - Capricorn1

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Is your psychic financed thru a retainer-agreement...or, are your "predictions" (merely) delivered, via the south-end of a North-bound Porky Limbaugh??

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 8:38 AM

"The Saskatchewan program was finally launched by his successor, Woodrow Lloyd, in 1962. The success of the province's public health care program was not lost on the federal government.

In 1964, Justice Hall recommended the nationwide adoption of Saskatchewan's model of public health insurance."

See:

Tommy Douglas [Wikipedia]

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 8:37 AM

Mike what you propose is never going to happen, regardless what side of the aisle is in control." - Capricorn1

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...Especially if for-profit companies keep encouraging the most-lazy (of Americans) to ignore precedence.

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"In the summer of 1962, Saskatchewan became the centre of a hard-fought struggle between the provincial government, the North American medical establishment, and the province's physicians, who brought things to a halt with the 1962 Saskatchewan Doctors' Strike. The doctors believed their best interests were not being met and feared a significant loss of income as well as government interference in medical care decisions even though Douglas agreed that his government would pay the going rate for service that doctors charged. The medical establishment claimed that Douglas would import foreign doctors to make his plan work and used racist images to try to scare the public."

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Capricorn1

Nov-02-13 8:04 AM

Mike, I should clarify, I think you'll get your wish for universal healthcare in the coming years, but the solutions for funding it will never happen and just like every other government endeavor, they'll implement the plan using bogus numbers and worry about paying for it later.

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Capricorn1

Nov-02-13 7:53 AM

Mike what you propose is never going to happen, regardless what side of the aisle is in control. Lobbyist won't allow it. That's why even democrats took no measures to curb corporate welfare when they had the opportunity. I agree, the tax program is just as broke as most government programs, but I see no major changes coming. You also have to figure out a way to get half the country off government assistance before you could ever be able to afford a universal healthcare system. You're theory relies on government making major changes and EVERYONE contributing, neither is going to happen.

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gavinf56

Nov-02-13 7:53 AM

“If you like your current insurance, you can keep it, unless it was changed after Jan. 1 2013 and it was one of those insurance plans that we consider a junk plan. Then you have to get a new plan, with better coverage and probably cheaper after you get your subsidy. That’s the way capitalism works.” - Liberal thinking! (Actually it’s paraphrasing a comment by a “D” politician from NJ who was one Chris Matthews earlier this week. He did actually say "That's the way capitalism works".)

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 6:44 AM

"The Federal Government has no competition, and because of that, they will never operate as efficiently as the private sector. Period." - Francine

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Try to catch-up, Skipette.

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"The industry doesn't WANT to have any competitor. The Medicare program that we have here is a government-run program that has administrative expenses that are like three percent or so.

They (for-profit insurance) spend about 20 cents of every premium dollar on overhead, which is administrative expense or profit. So they don't want to compete against a more efficient competitor."

See:

BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Wendell Potter | PBS - YouTube

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 6:37 AM

"An average of 400,000 people per state have lost their healthcare, as of a week ago, and it isn't going to get any better as time passes. The majority of the few that have signed up, actually signed up for medicaid, NOT Dumbamacare. You know, the free stuff!" - USABorn

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Try to catch-up, Skippy...

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See:

ObamaCare Medicaid Expansion

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 6:33 AM

"Republicans need to put their money where their mouth is and have a common sense healthcare plan developed that makes sense and start advertising it as a viable and affordable alternative." - Capricorn1

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Re-thinking "Allowing the marketplace to regulate itself." would be a good start!!!!

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See:

The Great American Hospital Pricing Scam Exposed-We Now Know Why Healthcare Costs Are So Artificially High

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mikekerstetter

Nov-02-13 6:29 AM

(Cont'd) I do understand the fear of the Government running the system. I agree that Obamacare was/is a terrible piece of legislation and we're finding out how terrible it is with each passing day.

But I've seen and heard the horror stories involving insurance companies and their denial of claims/treatments. All Government agencies aren't inept or wasteful. I believe that a single payer system could be properly and professionally run and financed if the time is taken to set it up properly with bipartisan support and professional help from industry leaders.

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MrShaman

Nov-02-13 6:26 AM

"Of course, there are some that believe the solution will be more government control of our health system. Some will never learn." - Phil Underwood

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...And, some prefer NOT to learn...when the government decides to subsidize for-profit insurance-companies...especially when the President is a Republican.

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See:

Sacramento Gray Panthers Prescription Drug Plan Medicare Part D

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mikekerstetter

Nov-02-13 6:21 AM

Capricorn1-"Phil, I think that was their plan all along, universal health care. I have no idea how a country that is as far in debt as this one would ever pay for it."

The first thing we would need to do is get our financial house in order. Our joke of a tax system needs a complete overhaul and we need to get rid of most, if not all, of the deductions, credits and loopholes, for business and individuals.

I believe that we could finance a single payer system through dedicated taxes that are paid by employers and individuals. Eliminate the Medicare tax and make it a part of the single payer. Use the money collected from SS benefit checks that goes into Medicare. And divert the money that is used to pay Medicaid benefits for the poor and/or disabled into the system.

Make everyone pay a reasonable co-pay and/or deductible so those who use the system more have more skin in the game.

I believe it can be done and done right.

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sideliner

Nov-02-13 5:59 AM

"unfavorable intended consequences"

To what end, Phil? The notion that this president and Democratic Senate intend to harm this country is really rather tiresome. Where is the payoff?

Republicans can't get it together enough to unify their own party let alone unify the electorate enough to win much of anything in 2016. The Republican party has turned into a characature of itself.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-02-13 5:27 AM

Let's get to the real core of the problem.....President Obama's lying!

The President lied to the American people over and over while he knew most would lose the plan they wanted to keep.

NBC released the report that President Obama knew for over three years that most would lose their plans, but he went out and lied about it anyway.

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USABorn

Nov-02-13 3:27 AM

Capricorn1 - That means winning in 2014. As long as Whorehouse Harry and his fellow cronies control the senate, and Dumbama is president, the country will just continue on the road to destruction.

An average of 400,000 people per state have lost their healthcare, as of a week ago, and it isn't going to get any better as time passes. The majority of the few that have signed up, actually signed up for medicaid, NOT Dumbamacare. You know, the free stuff!

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