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Question about Obamacare

November 5, 2013

Just have one question about Obamacare: Will lower premiums mean a higher deductible for the insured? Oops – a second question, if the insured does not pay the deductible, will my tax dollar be......

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Tgrammiex4

Nov-05-13 4:26 AM

IMO, Obama and his crew are hoping/ counting on alot of people not being able to afford any insurance or opting not to get any.Look at the $$ they will rake in on fines from those who can't or won't get insurance. One again, all the freeloaders will be protected from fines since they get thier coverage free anyway.It's a way to raise taxes on the middle class (whats left of it)without raising taxes. Once again, we'll take it in the rear.

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USABorn

Nov-05-13 4:31 AM

You got it John!!!!

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-05-13 6:19 AM

"A frustrated Jay Carney on Monday excoriated ABC's Jon Karl for exposing the fact that signing up for health care via phone or mail is just as difficult as signing up by the website. Karl began by quoting the President suggesting in late October that "you can bypass the website and apply by phone or in person." The journalist highlighted newly acquired memos admitting that "at the end of the day, we're all stuck in the same queue because all those applications have to go through the same website.""

Another administration distortion and President Obama lie.

If he wants to succeed, it is time for President Obama to rid himself of the host of vacuous ciphers that surround him and feed him bull. He needs some balance on his administration. I guess that none of them read the bill either. They let it up to the healthcare companies and lobbyest to write the bill. No one representing the common citizens was present.

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leaningright

Nov-05-13 6:22 AM

Obamacare is the first step towards socialism so we will all pay for somebody else, get less services and get services that are sub standard. Thank you Democrats and President Obama for taking a giant step towards the destruction of our democracy. Dr Ben Carson used this as an example. When the automobile came about the gov't didn't go around and tell people they had to get rid of the horse drawn buggy and buy a car. People bought a car because they could aford it and realized it was a better mode of transportation. The gov't also did not tell anybody to buy a specific make or model either, just as the gov't should not be telling us when, where or who to buy our insurance from. It is called Democracy and i think Obama doesn't like it.

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DavidBross

Nov-05-13 6:34 AM

First, I agree that ACA is a mess. But, I will give it a year. That is about how long I gave Bush to show that the invasion of Iraq had been well planned. Second, regarding the automobiles, don't forget that part of the success story of cars was that local, state, and the federal government had to provide roads that would allow cars to show their advantage over horse drawn vehicles. It is a chicken and egg kind of relationship between cars and roads. There is lots of evidence that the government was, and has been, intensely lobbied by the car industry regarding highways.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-05-13 6:35 AM

leaningright:

But the gov't, today, does tell us what our cars have to be optioned with, such as airbags, high-mounted stop lights, pedestrian crash requirements, emissions controls, fuel economy standards, etc. etc. etc.

Oh, they tell us it is "for our own good", just like they tell us the one size fits all health insurance policies are "for our own good", but such mandates drive up costs significantly.....money that always comes out of our pockets.

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DavidBross

Nov-05-13 6:37 AM

If Obamacare is the first step towards socialism, then I guess that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, Welfare aren't steps toward socialism.

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nobud74

Nov-05-13 6:55 AM

Yes, John, we will pay. Those of us who work and pay federal income taxes will foot the bill. There is no way the estimated 47% of Americans that pay no federal income taxes will be responsible for a nickle of this. They will be forced to use the same mess. If you have ever been to the emergency room and witnessed the chaos of "customers" there, you have seen the future of Obamacare. Those people and many more who feel they are entitled to your earnings will continue to demonstrate their displeasure with the service they receive and feel they need more of your earnings. I can't wait! (Insert sarcasm font on those last three words.)

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hopeforfuture

Nov-05-13 7:02 AM

If Obamacare is the first step towards socialism, then I guess that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, Welfare aren't steps toward socialism.-DavidBross

Well DUH!

I thought everyone knew that.

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CMReeder

Nov-05-13 7:48 AM

Hate to inform you Tgrammiex4 but a lot of people before Obamacare could not afford health insurance.

Deductibles have been increasing for those ho have insurance before Obamacare. The uninsured keep adding costs to those who are insured and to the government, that group has been growing also.

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spike2

Nov-05-13 8:02 AM

There are three possible tiers for purchase. The least expensive policy has the highest deductible. "Freeloaders" remain on Medicaid as they have for decades. The working poor receive reduction in rate based upon income. You are already paying for "someone else" through increased medical costs, insurance premiums and taxation, much like property insurance increases even though the "disaster" is not in our area. You are essentially suggesting that we do not and have not paid under the "old system". I absolutely agree the sign-up is a mess. The concept actually does require individual responsibility rather than collectively paying as we have done for many years. Medical expenses are cheaper when utilizing prevention rather than waiting until a medical catastrophe. The reasonable question is how to effectively accomplish this.

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max4ever

Nov-05-13 8:41 AM

OMG----Will you liberals PLEASE get off the "Bush Bashing". I'm so sick of you justifying Obama's mess with George Bush! If a snake bites you, are going to give another snake the same time to strike you? George Bush has more patriotism in his little finger than Obama and his entire administration have among themselves! If you can't come up with a better defense for "the chosen one", don't say anything!

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Tgrammiex4

Nov-05-13 8:50 AM

Mr. Reeder, alot of folks can't afford Obamacare either.I don't know if you visited the site before it crashed, i did.I found it unaffordable even with the subsidy. It would have cost more than our mortgage pmt. to just cover the hubby after the subsidy.I pay for medicare and a sup. plan thru Geis.They include my income from SS but not my ins. cost to figure the subsidy for just his coverage. I don't understand that.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-05-13 8:52 AM

spike:

I agree that we all pay for the uninsured through higher costs.

But we pay for shoplifters through higher prices as well.

That does not mean we should all buy our laundry detergent through the US government.

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leaningright

Nov-05-13 8:56 AM

David Bross- Yes they are Socialist programs for freeloaders. Lets get rid of them, i have no problem with that.

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DavidBross

Nov-05-13 9:24 AM

But, leaningright, you said Obamacare is the first step towards socialism. How can that be if Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are already socialist programs?

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underwood

Nov-05-13 9:30 AM

Only a complete fool would buy the narrative that the provisions dictated by Obamacare would lower the cost or improve the condition of health care in America. It’s simply a power grab by government which will put a large segment of the economy under the control of government.

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FortySixand2

Nov-05-13 10:21 AM

Looney Tunes! "A power grab by the government". The rightists are never happy getting things their way. You got the individual mandate...be happy! You got private health insurers enshrined into our health care system forever thanks to the ACA....be happy! You won!

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underwood

Nov-05-13 10:39 AM

Like I said “only a fool” --------------

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rick424

Nov-05-13 10:48 AM

Universal Health Care

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leaningright

Nov-05-13 11:05 AM

Fortysix-Take another big gulp of your Liberal kool aid please, then go ahead and try to sign up for Obamacare, let us know how that works.

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leaningright

Nov-05-13 11:08 AM

Again, this is real simple, do not sign up. Pay the fine and the whole piece of junk law dies, it is really that simple. I will never sign up, ever.

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MrShaman

Nov-05-13 11:49 AM

"OMG----Will you liberals PLEASE get off the "Bush Bashing". I'm so sick of you justifying Obama's mess with George Bush!" - max4ever

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Pretty inconvenient, is it??

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See:

"U.S. Economy Screwed" - Business Insider

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MrShaman

Nov-05-13 11:54 AM

"George Bush has more patriotism in his little finger than Obama and his entire administration have among themselves!" - max4ever

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A Chickenhawk...considered a "patriot"?

Yeah....that's a good-one!!!!!

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See:

60 Minutes: George W. Bush Sought to -Find A Way- to Invade Iraq - YouTube

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EXPOSED: Bush Planned on Invading Iraq Before 9/11-Part 2 - YouTube

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You REALLY want to compare body-counts, between Lil' Dumbya & Barack Obama?

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Capricorn1

Nov-05-13 12:22 PM

Universal Health Care -Rick

How ya gonna pay for it? It's very easy to constantly throw out those three words, but not so much when you have to figure out how to fund it. Keep in mind you have almost half the country that government already says need their assistance and pay no federal income tax, so you can count their contributions out. So who exactly is going to pay for universal health care? If this country wasn't trillions of dollars in debt and half the people weren't relying on government assistance already, I would say you may have an argument for universal health care. But this country needs universal financial care first.

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