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The “G” word

November 6, 2013

On Oct. 25, the Sun-Gazette ran an article (on page A-3) that Air Force Academy may drop the phrase “so help me God” from the oath their cadets take....

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Capricorn1

Nov-06-13 4:33 AM

What's next, "In Obama We Trust" on our currency?

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FortySixand2

Nov-06-13 4:43 AM

I may or may not be a believer, but don't think it's the role of a gov't institution to make anyone swear unto a deity.

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gavinf56

Nov-06-13 5:15 AM

If you want to have this discussion, then you first have to start being HONEST. The "God" that is being referred to is the Christian God, and NOT any other God. Stop the semantics.

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FortySixand2

Nov-06-13 5:28 AM

Not sure if people are aware, but the AF Academy has had problems with pushing evangelical Christianity over the past few years. I agree with Gavin. Cut the crap in semantics. People are more than accommodated in this country to practice the religion of your choosing. The church you attend pays no taxes. Stop trying to push a state religion and then use the constitutional pushback as victimhood.

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Capricorn1

Nov-06-13 5:45 AM

"So help me God" is used in everything from the presidential oath to the oath for citizenship and it is estimated that over 90% of Americans believe in "God". The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is one more civil rights organization that pushes an agenda that goes against the majority to please a few.

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gavinf56

Nov-06-13 5:53 AM

Our country has always been about the rights of the majority cannot overrule the rights of the minority. That is why our freedom "OF" religion exists. Having a requirement that an individual take an oath to the majorities God, violates the rights of the minority.

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Capricorn1

Nov-06-13 6:00 AM

Gavin, can I ask why all of a sudden this is an issue? Are you suggesting they change every oath throughout the nation that includes this phrase? What about those that feel the oath has even more meaning to them with it's inclusion? Wouldn't it make much more sense to allow the last line of the oath to be optional instead of removing it completely?

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gavinf56

Nov-06-13 6:07 AM

It's an issue now for the same reason slavery, civil rights, and women's suffrage became issues.

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gavinf56

Nov-06-13 6:10 AM

If the cadet wanted to add that line at the end of their oath, on their own accord, I say have at it. I have no problem with that. That is freedom of religion.

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MrShaman

Nov-06-13 6:10 AM

"Not sure if people are aware, but the AF Academy has had problems with pushing evangelical Christianity over the past few years." - FortySixand2

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BIG 10-4!!!!!...specifically in THE "hotbed" of fundamentalist-Christianity (in CO); Colorado Springs (home o' Ted Haggard's super-church)!!

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MrShaman

Nov-06-13 6:14 AM

"So help me God" is used in everything from the presidential oath to the oath for citizenship and it is estimated that over 90% of Americans believe in "God"." - Capricorn1

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I'm "sure" you can direct everyone to the source o' that "stat".

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Capricorn1

Nov-06-13 6:18 AM

If that's the case then they need to be consistent throughout the military and the nation and remove the word God from every oath and also remove it from our currency. I guess that would make everything "constitutional". I do find it hypocritical how many could care less about the constitution until it fits their needs.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-06-13 6:18 AM

I guess that I am ambivalent on this topic.

If you look at Matthew 5:33-37, it says... “"Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one."

Why do we require elected officials, people in the military, people testifying in court, etc to take and oath or make a pledge?

I guess that everyone (the public) wants them to state that they will do their best or be truthful or of highest integrity. Many times you can't change character by taking an oath.

Maybe the phrase "so help me God" recognizes that we are human and that we do fail

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Capricorn1

Nov-06-13 6:20 AM

I'm "sure" you can direct everyone to the source o' that "stat". -Shaman

More Than 9 in 10 Americans Continue to Believe in God -Gallup

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-06-13 6:20 AM

Cont>>

and in the sight of God we ask Him guide us back to a place of best regard for other humans, truth, integrity, and goodness, not matter the consequences to ourselves.

I guess that I would lean towards letting the phrase be optional.

I would be interested in others rationale since I could change my mind.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-06-13 7:00 AM

God has been in the oath for decades.

please produce a person who changed their religion based on taking this oath.

If you can't demonstrate that the oath changed someone's mind, then this is not an issue.

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gavinf56

Nov-06-13 7:07 AM

"I do find it hypocritical how many could care less about the constitution until it fits their needs." - Capricorn1

I agree Cap, and neither side is guilt free there.

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gavinf56

Nov-06-13 7:07 AM

"I do find it hypocritical how many could care less about the constitution until it fits their needs." - Capricorn1

I agree Cap, and neither side is guilt free there.

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spike2

Nov-06-13 7:23 AM

it isn't even Sunday. Enjoy. Suggestion: use copy and paste from all the previous comments on LTE's.

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AmericanCitizen

Nov-06-13 7:28 AM

"If that's the case then they need to be consistent throughout the military and the nation and remove the word God from every oath and also remove it from our currency." Yes, that's right.

Texas, thank you for quoting Matthew 5:33, you beat me to it.

"God has been in the oath for decades." That doesn't make it right. Segregation was in place for decades, too.

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Kelaine

Nov-06-13 7:31 AM

The phrase "So help me God" is not being removed. It's merely being made optional for those who may wish not to say it.

For cadets taking the oath who do want to say "So help me God", they still may say it loudly and proudly.

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CMReeder

Nov-06-13 7:39 AM

I could understand if the phrase 'so help me God' was NOT original to the oath cadets took at the academy it was added later. From what I have read the other military academies do not have that phrase in their oaths either.

As usual the right doesn't do 'free' they like to impose their beliefs.

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underwood

Nov-06-13 7:50 AM

An oath to a deity only has meaning to those believing in that deity, so in that sense is means little anyway.

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AmericanCitizen

Nov-06-13 8:16 AM

If Christians were required to say, "So help me Allah" at the end of every oath, do you think it would "mean little" to them?

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underwood

Nov-06-13 8:25 AM

It would mean little in terms of an oath.

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