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Freedom is fragile

November 6, 2013

“Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction....

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rmiller

Nov-07-13 10:57 PM

EXCELLENT POST, DAVID!

"In our country, uninterested and uninformed citizens create a vacuum. This allows those in positions of power and influence to fill that vacuum with policies that benefit themselves first. An active and informed electorate is the best antidote for this civic vacuum. "

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rmiller

Nov-07-13 10:53 PM

John,

"As I recall and the record supports, the Affordable Healthcare Act was voted on and passed by the majority of duly elected Representatives then by the majority of the duly elected Senators, then signed into law by the twice duly elected President, then tested up to the Conservative Supreme Court and approved as law. "

You know nothing more than any of the rest of the US about this Health Care Act, so don't be so pious as to pretend you do. Did you check you TV today? Did you hear your infamous leader apologizing for his lies? I could accept an apology if he didn't know anything, and he admits to his ignorance, but this was not a misspeak. It was a repeated lie after lie after lie and you know it. And for me, when liberals continue to defend him, in light of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, and now by his own admission, it is sickening.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-07-13 6:14 AM

"Unless they can come up with another viable solution to the health care crisis we have in this country, they need to take aback seat and let this one play out, good or bad."--Sideliner

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Why are you all of a sudden turning a piece of legislation pushed through by a democrat controlled House, Senate, and President and saying it is the Republican's problem. During the GWB administration, they passed legislation for Health Savings Plans and it seemed to be working for those that wanted to participate.

You comment brings visions of an abortionist who is performing an abortion and perforates the womb allowing bleeding (that is leading to death) and then turns to the pro-lifer and says "you need to take care of this woman."

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mikekerstetter

Nov-07-13 3:57 AM

I guess it's taking a while for FortySixand2 to compile that list of the ways Obamacare is addressing the shortcomings of our health system.

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FortySixand2

Nov-06-13 11:00 PM

Lying about lies! "Death Panels"! Remember that Phil? People getting "kicked off their insurance". Happens all the time for all sorts of reasons...the policy simply expired...they changed the policy...you got sick and wanted to use your policy(pre-ACA)...you did indeed have a junk policy and in order to comply with the ACA, your "insurer" tried to channel you to a higher rated plan and conveniently forgot to inform you of your many options(including leaving them and getting a much better plan with subsidies on the healthcare exchange. And once again....why is it that rightists carp from the sidelines hoping for failure instead of joining in with helpful proposals for getting their fellow citizens health coverage?

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Ritty77

Nov-06-13 6:38 PM

Well, as long as Obamacare is the law of the land, they need to get this website working. Quite a few people are losing their "substandard" plans sold by "bad apple" insurance companies like Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

Many of these policies expire at year's end, so any major delays will leave gaps in coverage, which won't be avoided by simply extending the sign-up deadline or delaying the individual mandate itself.

They really, really need to get all the relevant databases communicating properly and SECURELY, and soon.

Enjoy another pleasant autumn evening, everybody.

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cheyenne

Nov-06-13 5:11 PM

The so-called "low information" voters, are likely to be, the same people who would be unwilling to put forth the miniscule effort required, to obtain a photo ID. Thus, the ACTUAL reason the Dems are strongly opposed to required ID.

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JohnHilfirty

Nov-06-13 4:16 PM

eriklatranyi @ Nov-06-13 11:41 AM

"Buy the king's health insurance or you will be punished!

The king knows what us best for 300 million people!"

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Kinda wreckless false information from someone who claims that only a liberal lies, isn't it Erik?

As I recall and the record supports, the Affordable Healthcare Act was voted on and passed by the majority of duly elected Representatives then by the majority of the duly elected Senators, then signed into law by the twice duly elected President, then tested up to the Conservative Supreme Court and approved as law.

Where did a "King" get involved Erik? May I suggest the correct answer?

ONLY IN THE ALTERNATE KINGDOM OCCUPIED BY WINGNUTS ! HIS NAME IS "KING RUSHBO."

Could it be that you're upset because your mythical "King Rushbo" didn't prevail?

B

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JohnHilfirty

Nov-06-13 3:15 PM

Francine @ Nov-06-13 1:34 AM

"I doubt whether the left is low information, just different information, much of it just plain incorrect or ill advised. They're not stupid for the most part, but they are dependent."

What information do you have to support such a statement? Any?

"Dependency wrecks to soul of a woman or man."

Could you explain what that means? I haven't got the slightest idea.

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rick424

Nov-06-13 1:50 PM

Low informed voters...The problem is we can hear what we want to hear in todays world.

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underwood

Nov-06-13 11:47 AM

You know it’s bad when they have to lie about their lies.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-06-13 11:41 AM

Buy the king's health insurance or you will be punished!

The king knows what us best for 300 million people!

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hopeforfuture

Nov-06-13 11:24 AM

Francine dependency is the route of the problem so how do we give those who are dependent the desire to get out and do what it takes to earn a living. Especially when most of the dependent have learned how to access programs that keep them on the public paycheck. Yet when someone who really needs a helping hand when they reach a financial problem, they are told to go out and sell everything sometimes including their homes.The elderly when they sell their homes then would no longer qualify for the help they need until the money from their home sale is gone.

It comes round to knowing how to work the system. Low information I don't think so.

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USABorn

Nov-06-13 11:23 AM

It's been several years now since I have seen any stories about the "Biggest Liar" contests. I guess everyone has given up, as they know nothing they say could possibly top any lie coming from the mouth of Dumbama. He has to be the biggest liar on the planet!

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USABorn

Nov-06-13 11:22 AM

Well, well, well! The latest news from overseas about the Liar-In-Chief.

"Obama denies promising Americans they could absolutely keep their healthcare plans, even though video shows him making that pledge - 29 times!"

"Obama suddenly pivoted Monday night, adding conditions to his pledge that no one would lose insurance plans that they liked"

"The Affordable Care Act requires policies to include a set of coverage items including maternity and pediatric care, whether or not people want it"

"As costs rise, insurance companies are issuing cancellation letters by the millions"

"The White House isn't offering apologies for the about-face, even though the left-of-center Washington Post found that Obama's 'if you like your plan, you can keep your plan' promise was a 'whopper' of a lie"

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Fredzz

Nov-06-13 10:26 AM

"" LOW INFORMATION VOTERS ""

Yep... Create a new label & move on..?? How does that help?? [other than too further divide ]

How about taking some of this Negative energy [ all sides ] and converting it to Positive energy..?

Is there anyone, anywhere that could create a Movement Demanding that All Politicians speak in a clearly Non-ambiguous version of the American language.

And if they do not abide by our request, We the people you will not give you any of our Votes... No exceptions..

Yep I know... its just a dream that only a One percenter could make come true.

And that won't happen because it would likely nock a few One percenter's down a few notches..

OR Would it....

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leaningright

Nov-06-13 9:18 AM

Freedom is fragile, and when people so willingly give it away they are being foolish. We just lost our freedom to choose our own insurance and doctor, whats next?

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mikekerstetter

Nov-06-13 9:17 AM

FortySixand2-"Mike, the ACA does far more than you think to address our health systems shortcomings."

Just wondering, can you give me a list of what Obamacare is doing to address the shortcomings?

The only two that I can think of is the preexisting conditions clause and being able to cover my kids till age 26 or until they have a job with insurance of their own, whichever comes first.

Other than that.... there are millions of people who had health insurance they wanted and could afford who have lost it because of Obamacare.

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MrShaman

Nov-06-13 8:54 AM

MrShaman Is it possible for you to be kind? Is that really that hard? You can make your points without being rude." - hopeforfuture

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"rude", how...stating the facts as they ARE?

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DavidBross

Nov-06-13 8:51 AM

In our country, uninterested and uninformed citizens create a vacuum. This allows those in positions of power and influence to fill that vacuum with policies that benefit themselves first. An active and informed electorate is the best antidote for this civic vacuum.

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underwood

Nov-06-13 8:11 AM

The real problem with voters is a lack of interest in politics and consequently a poor understanding of what they’re voting for. This can be proven by having conversations with them or as someone else said watching man on the street interviews. It makes no difference who coined the phrase low information voters, it pretty well sums up the average voter.

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ArtFold

Nov-06-13 8:05 AM

While the sky may not be falling I see our system of government and our freedoms slipping away. By design, it would seem.

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Darlin

Nov-06-13 7:52 AM

Erik, the CGI Company who created the failed website for Obama and now just received 5 more contracts is a Big-time donor to Obama. Of course! Obama doesn't care what fails as long as they lavish him monetarily. Pretty similar to the failed solar companies that he invested stimulus money in all comes back to him as donor money for him. A sneaky way of money laundering, but that is what this administration does best.

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CMReeder

Nov-06-13 7:49 AM

The sky is falling! The end is near! All hope is gone!

Gawd I don't know how the right can go on with life at all. They are so negative about everything, no wonder they sound so shrill and desparate all the time.

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Steelman

Nov-06-13 7:23 AM

“they need to take aback seat and let this one play out, good or bad.” Sideliner. This is where we are at let’s just sit back and watch. When this fails there is no repairing it. It has to be taken down and rebuilt from the foundation up. Everyone keeps saying no alts. have been offered, but what about the American Health Care Reform Act. This plan offers affordable health care for all, preexisting or not and has room for improvements where needed.

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