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Blatant scare tactic

November 8, 2013

A recent letter attempted to convince us that a smaller government would be a detriment, citing that during the shutdown such things as national parks were closed....

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BornHere

Nov-08-13 4:38 PM

erik, I know what your original post was and I know why Shaman responded the way he did.

I was only adding to his statement "I guess that'd be dependent upon how you define "religious, terrorist or criminals".

In the documents I have Chivington was describe as a Mad Man of evil with no soul and no God who committed Blood crimes against the Arapaho's.

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Capricorn1

Nov-08-13 4:32 PM

Capricorn1-The short answer is, "Yes." If the legislation was enacted legally, then yes it must be followed. -David

Except with legislation that is unpopular such as the laws against illegal immigration, or the federal laws against marijuana, or the RealID Act that no one likes so it was never implemented. Or how about laws that states pass that the federal government chooses to bring to litigation to have them abolished. Would you like me to go on? The federal government is bursting at the seams, their programs and policies require 4 trillion a year to feed, they refuse to work off a balanced budget and they borrow worse than a drunken sailor. Do you actually think the next election is going to change anything? What state do you think is going to step up and say that "their guy" is part of the problem? You think the career hard line politicians are going anywhere? And people question why I favor term limits. We the people got us in this mess with our votes.

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DavidBross

Nov-08-13 2:36 PM

Capricorn1-The short answer is, "Yes." If the legislation was enacted legally, then yes it must be followed. However, that doesn't mean the legislation is immune from repeal or amendment. The 2014 elections could very well turn out to be a step in such a direction.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-08-13 11:54 AM

BornHere:

While a horrible event in our history, Sand Creek pales in comparison to the millions murdered by Stalin, PolPot, Hitler, and the other big-gov't socialists throughout history.....which was my original point.

Shaman tried to use Sand Creek as a response.

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Capricorn1

Nov-08-13 11:40 AM

And btw Shaman, I noticed that you never mention Senator Feinstein and her husband, and the millions they made from Iraq and Afghanistan contracts through his company, Tutor Perini Corporation.

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Capricorn1

Nov-08-13 11:21 AM

Yeah...it makes so-much-more "sense", contracting-out government-services.

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See:

Iraq For Sale - Full Movie [YouTube] -Shaman

You need to get off your broken record, Iraq War kick. War profiteering has been going on for generations. During the civil war, people became millionaires selling recycled wool and cardboard shoes to soldiers. You act like Iraq is the first war where anyone profited. If you're going to address a subject such as this then be all inclusive. We all are fully aware of your disdain for Bush and your ever repeating references got old a long time ago.

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BornHere

Nov-08-13 11:20 AM

MrShaman if you don't mind I would like to ad to your 6:19 post. I am a descendant of the Sand Creek Massacre.

Col. John Chivington was a Methodist minister who led the raid at Sand Creek was known to say "use any means under God's heaven to kill the Indians".

He was nothing more than a religious terrorist and a war criminal who murdered the Arapaho and the Cheyenne while they flew the peace flag from their lodges.

I have tribal documentations that have been passed down thru the generations of the events of that day.

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leaningright

Nov-08-13 10:35 AM

Look at the great job the gov't did with healthcare Shaman. Always remember these words Shaman- If you have a health care plan and you like it you can keep it and if you have a doctor you can keep him too, period. Those words are going to be the downfall of your party and are going to make Obama a lame duck in 2014. Good luck with that.

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leaningright

Nov-08-13 10:28 AM

"Yeah...it makes so-much-more "sense", contracting-out government-services."-Shaman

Yes, it does. The Gov't has zero incentive to be competitive. Competiton will drive down prices and increase quality, do you know nothing about Competition? You would rather the Gov't do everything for you, typical liberal.

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MrShaman

Nov-08-13 9:19 AM

"liberals like you make the govt explode in size by offering all of these ridiculous liberal programs." - leaningright

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Yeah...it makes so-much-more "sense", contracting-out government-services.

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See:

Iraq For Sale - Full Movie [YouTube]

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MrShaman

Nov-08-13 9:11 AM

"Like I said in the past, generations to come will either be working for government or living off government." - Capricorn1

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Shouldn't you "conservatives" be making more of an effort to divulge which "psychic" provides you such "data"...you know...so the rest-of-us could verify their track-record??

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MrShaman

Nov-08-13 9:07 AM

"A plain reading of historical documents tells us that most of the founders would be TEA Party leaders today." - enigma

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Hardly (that's "not hardly", for you Bush-fans)!!!

The founders were (typically) EDUCATED-people, instead.

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MrShaman

Nov-08-13 9:03 AM

"What percent goes to foreign countries?" - spike2

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Typically....about 1%.

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See:

Foreign Assistance and the US Budget | Center For Global Development

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MrShaman

Nov-08-13 8:47 AM

First, the Constitution does require exactly that forced support because the Founding Fathers realized that country would collapse if everyone could opt out of supporting parts and policies of the government with which they don't agree. -David

Should we be forced to support policies that have sunk this country in 17 trillion dollars of debt?" - Capricorn1

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You've got some magical way of turning-back-the-clock??

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See:

How The US Public Was Defrauded By The Hidden Cost Of The Iraq War

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leaningright

Nov-08-13 8:42 AM

Reeder-The President had the memorials shut down to try to make the republicans look bad, he could care less how it effected anybody because he is a rude, ignorant person. Similar to his ignorance about his own healthcare law that is garbage. Then he offers some half a---- apology which meant nothing. MR Reeder, i want nothing from my gov't other than having them keep our borders safe and sovereign, thats it, nothing more, liberals like you make the govt explode in size by offering all of these ridiculous liberal programs.

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Capricorn1

Nov-08-13 8:40 AM

Calling oneself "exceptional"...by virtue of birth...is the FIRST-indicator of "terminal"-laziness!! -Shaman

You should take a look in the mirror. Your narcissism speaks volumes.

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MrShaman

Nov-08-13 8:40 AM

Founding Fathers said many things and some contradicted other things they said. - DavidBross

Sounds like today's leaders as well." - Steelman

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...Especially the ones who hide behind the safety/$ecurity of the pulpit.

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See:

Biblical Contradictions

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MrShaman

Nov-08-13 8:35 AM

"Thomas Jefferson was a poor businessman, a depressed, out-of-touch seclusionist, who nearly went bankrupt, fathered many illegitimate children with a slave, fought incessantly with other bureaucrars, contemplated suicide many times, quit his government job, twice. . . yeah, great example." - radioactive

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Well...except for "conservatives"...who prefer the "convenience" of the status-quo.

Thomas Jefferson was NOT a (typically, lazy) "conservative". Renaissance men (and, REAL Americans) have NEVER settled for "good, enough".

Calling oneself "exceptional"...by virtue of birth...is the FIRST-indicator of "terminal"-laziness!!

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Thomas Jefferson - USHistory

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Capricorn1

Nov-08-13 8:34 AM

"Apparently not, juding by Fox News' ratings! zing!"

People are misled by the ratings that Fox news receives. The reason they receive the ratings they do is because they are the only mainstream TV news media outlet that caters to conservatives. All the other outlets are either blatantly liberal or lean left. This means that liberal viewership is spread out among several different outlets. If there was another right leaning major news outlet that drew away conservative viewership from FOX, they would have similar ratings to the other networks. IMO, none of them represent true journalism.

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Capricorn1

Nov-08-13 8:26 AM

Chuck, nothing would ever convince you and many others that there is too much government in our lives. Like I said in the past, generations to come will either be working for government or living off government.

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enigma

Nov-08-13 8:26 AM

When you point out that the founders disliked and distrusted big government, the left spins in all directions to try and refute what is an obvious fact. It is not enough for them to disagree with the founders, they feel they need to misrepresent them. A plain reading of historical documents tells us that most of the founders would be TEA Party leaders today. If you don't agree with how the nation was founded, argue your point, and stop trying to pretend that the founders did not intend a small government and personal freedom.

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garder54

Nov-08-13 8:26 AM

You have misquoted Jefferson in every single one of your examples. Do some research before blindly believing anything that ends up in your email inbox. Does no one fact check anymore? Apparently not, juding by Fox News' ratings! zing!

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CMReeder

Nov-08-13 8:22 AM

BTW one of the claims being made by republicans when the shutdown happen was that Americans would see what less government would be like. So the question after the shutdown happen is to ask Americans how they like their less government by example of the shutdown.

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CMReeder

Nov-08-13 8:20 AM

Not a scare tatic. It was written in response by the right over how upset they were that national parks and monuments were closed because of the shutdown among other things.

What is truly amazing is how much the right claims they want less from government until it happens then they rally and claim that is not what they want.

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Capricorn1

Nov-08-13 8:16 AM

Spike, because of space constraints I wasn't able to list every policy and program that results in out of control spending and waste. But you can also include foreign aid and the hundreds of overseas bases that no longer have any purpose except to help the economies of foreign countries. And there are many, many other government policies and programs that were never meant to be the responsibility of the federal government.

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