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November 9, 2013

Remember the scene at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin back in the summer of 2008, hundreds of young Germans chowing down free hot dogs and beer as they listened in awe to an American presidential......

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-10-13 7:21 AM

eriklatranyi,

Picture is worth a thousand words!!! Tapes conversations and court records are too.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-09-13 5:03 PM

Texas:

Here is a hypothetical to ponder:

What if you found out that a private contractor allowed the Obama CAMPAIGN access to data on opponents?

Just think about this and how it fits President Obama's previous campaigns (prior to the White House) where sealed divorce records of his opponents were released.

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cheyenne

Nov-09-13 2:39 PM

Bobbie2, that last post is classic! LOL!!!!!

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-09-13 2:28 PM

I wonder how much dirt our current administration has on "key" people around the world and then use it as blackmail to their benefit.

Within the US I would think that the Obama administration knew about David Petraeus' affair before he was appointed to the CIA.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-09-13 10:59 AM

The United States, under President Obama, is collecting data worldwide in ways and volumes never before seen.

It does not matter if you are an ally, enemy or citizen, this government wants to know everything.

Liberals were outraged because Bush allowed the wiretapping of international phone calls. That pales in comparison to what President Obama is doing and liberals defend it without shame.

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Capricorn1

Nov-09-13 9:23 AM

The other governments spy on us and yes eavesdrop on leaders. -Reeder

Chuck do you have proof that our allies are using the technology that the NSA has to spy on American citizens? I find it smacks of arrogance that we feel we have the right to breach the privacy of foreign citizens in their own country, let alone the citizens here at home. The terrorist achieved their agenda the day government started taking away freedoms because of fear. Imagine what advances in technology will allow them to do in the years to come.

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CMReeder

Nov-09-13 8:46 AM

Love the fact that the right just realize that the US 'spies' on other govenments even allies. They just blithely ignore the other side of this revelation. The other governments spy on us and yes eavesdrop on leaders.

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Capricorn1

Nov-09-13 8:44 AM

I just wish Americans were more upset, regardless of their political leanings. -John

I agree John, I was never supportive of the Patriot Act and I definitely do not support this PRISM program. It was started by Bush and continued by Obama and judging by what's being reported it has been expanded beyond what was "legally" approved and no one is being held responsible. It seems like the press and many Americans are once again giving a pass to the current Administration.

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hopeforfuture

Nov-09-13 7:47 AM

Well, actually, they would have grown up hearing how the Ministerium für Staatssicherheit did the same thing to their parents, so theirs might not be the best reaction to judge.

I just wish Americans were more upset, regardless of their political leanings.-JohnMBower

Yet we as Americans do not see the similarities. Take freedoms away in small incriminates and no one notices. Or are we reluctant to say anything because we would be labeled a "racist"?

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eriklatranyi

Nov-09-13 7:21 AM

Liberals criticize Bush43 for running against nation-building and then reversing course.

But they stay silent on President Obama's exact same flip-flop.

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gavinf56

Nov-09-13 7:06 AM

Headlines this morning, “Netanyahu is in a state of shocked disbelief,” feels “misled” by Obama team."

Netanyahu now knows how the American public feels.

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JohnMBower

Nov-09-13 7:06 AM

Well, actually, they would have grown up hearing how the Ministerium für Staatssicherheit did the same thing to their parents, so theirs might not be the best reaction to judge.

I just wish Americans were more upset, regardless of their political leanings.

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gavinf56

Nov-09-13 6:50 AM

Oct. 8, 2010 - President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

2012 - "I am getting pretty good at killing people", President Barack Obama

I would say the worlds view on Pres. Obama has changed, and not for the better.

...or as MrShaman will later point out, the world is a bunch of racists.

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spike2

Nov-09-13 6:49 AM

Believe other governments are doing the same to us. Intelligence gathering has changed dramatically. We live in a paranoid world.

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Capricorn1

Nov-09-13 6:30 AM

Texas, you are correct but Germany is our ally. I would think good foreign policy would dictate working with German intelligence to gather the data they were looking for. What the NSA is doing is sweeping up data on citizens of foreign countries much like they are doing to us, without the consent of those nation's governments. 28 EU countries have already signed a statement outlining their distrust in the U.S. because of these tactics.

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gavinf56

Nov-09-13 6:25 AM

Yea, I'm with you Tex. It should come as no surprise to anyone.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-09-13 6:15 AM

I may get hammered for this comment......but I think part of the job of out government is to gather data on other countries.

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MrShaman

Nov-09-13 6:03 AM

"They are thinking the same thing the millions of people who were not able to keep their healthcare plan nor doctor are thinking!" - eriklatranyi

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Whoahhhhhhhhhhh...you T-Baggers have developed the ability to do MASS/GROUP mind-reading??!!!!

Amazing.....

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eriklatranyi

Nov-09-13 5:30 AM

They are thinking the same thing the millions of people who were not able to keep their healthcare plan nor doctor are thinking!

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MrShaman

Nov-09-13 5:28 AM

"Remember the scene at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin back in the summer of 2008, hundreds of young Germans chowing down free hot dogs and beer as they listened in awe to an American presidential candidate who stood for hope and change?

I wonder what they're thinking now that they've learned that "hope and change" includes tapping their chancellor's phone? Just wondering." - Ken Robertson

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My guess is...they have no appreciation for those good ol' "All-American traditional-values".

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See:

COINTEL PRO: America's Dirty War [YouTube]

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