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Disappointed

November 12, 2013

The article “Judge declares mistrial in rape case” that was published in Wednesday’s paper is disappointing on many levels....

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rmiller

Nov-16-13 11:32 PM

Is spite of all that life is dealing all of us, please understand there is a God who is in control.

Tommorrow night (Sunday night) at 6pm, at Tabernacle Baptist Church at 4th and Maynard, my son is going to preach. God has gifted him and called him for His purpose. It would be nice if someone, even one person that I've bantered with for years, would come to hear the truth. Think on it...act on it.

6 pm services, over at 7pm...

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rmiller

Nov-14-13 10:11 PM

Hello again Scott.

I think that people are quick to assign rape in cases where it was sex and not violence. Obviously sex is the act, but the emotion behind the physical act is control, violence and often results in the death of a person. Again, real rape is about violence. Many people since the dawn of time, have sex, not all rape. Sex can be violent, without it being rape, but you can't have rape without violence.

I used the reference of alcohol/drugs being used by both prosecution and defense. At least that was my attempt and perhaps I didn't convey that correctly. Thanks for your again, pleasant exchange!

David, " Liberal liars are disgusting humans with clear mental issues. (And how, pray tell, would you describe conservative liars?) "

disgusting as well :)

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Scott36

Nov-14-13 8:05 PM

Yes, a prostitute can be raped, and I would add that perhaps they have their fair share of "rapes" that go largely unreported. I believe that Garben was aligning the 'career' of the woman and the risk that is posed to her, fair thought, IMO-rmiller

Hello rmiller, I have just been extra busy lately. I still get to scan these posts though. I am in agreement with you, a prostitute can most certainly be raped. I have heard some say otherwise, which to me is a very ignorant opinion. Please do not get me wrong, I am not "sticking up" for prostitution, but rather trying to say that one wrong does not give an excuse for another. As to your last post, I do not believe that anyone would misunderstand your point on alcohol being used as an excuse--unless they are trying to intentionally "misquote" your meaning. You are IMO correct though. Hope things are good with you, have a safe & pleasant evening!!-Scott

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rmiller

Nov-14-13 8:24 AM

Millwe, great posts!

I do hope the defense of alcohol I've mentioned isn't misunderstood. I've tried to show how both defense and prosecution have used the defense for years.

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Millwe

Nov-13-13 11:46 PM

And just what is knuckle-dragging white trash???? I don't know that that means???

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Millwe

Nov-13-13 11:40 PM

Of course if a woman says "no" it means "no". I believe the reason attorneys use drugs/alcohol is because its a no-brainer. If a woman is intoxicated she doesn't know if she gave consent or not. Again, the responsibility is with me, the woman, to have my wits about me so I can distinguish what I did and did not say or do. With that said, however, just because I am inebriated in no way justifies rape but we need to stop setting ourselves up (and then blaming men)simply by "volunteering" to be a victim, putting ourselves in precarious situations inviting the worst.

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rmiller

Nov-13-13 10:32 PM

Hello Scott! Where have you been?

Yes, a prostitute can be raped, and I would add that perhaps they have their fair share of "rapes" that go largely unreported. I believe that Garben was aligning the 'career' of the woman and the risk that is posed to her, fair thought, IMO

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Scott36

Nov-13-13 8:38 PM

Funny the same girl claiming rape was arrested for prostitution-Garben78

Interesting comment. Just wondering, in your opinion can a prostitute be raped?-Scott

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rmiller

Nov-13-13 7:30 PM

I should have said, "used as a defense in this case by the plaintiff." If we jay walk and get hit with a car, who assumes responsibility....the driver (for not having his vehicle under control or the jay walker who stepped in the path of oncoming traffic? If the truth of rape (not giving consent) is where the law lies (and it does I believe) then rape is a disgusting power play by a sick individual and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But...consent....is tricky. Some cases are out there and solid before the courtroom doors open. But, the vagueness of mutual consent can put the wrong may behind bars.

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rmiller

Nov-13-13 7:23 PM

Here is the crux, IMO as a woman. The man has no right to my body, if I say no.

The word is "consent." The arugument some are posing is .... was consent given? While dress is not a justification for rape, is it not a provocation? Getting drunk/drugged/or using drugs is often a defense for a good attorney, so is it used as a defense in this case, "He said/did...she said/did." The laws provide pragmatic tools, depending on which side is "using" them. I want to reiterate that in no way do I condone rape.....legitimate rape. Given the seriousness of such an allegation/prosecution and possible subsequent sentencing for this crime, I'd like to think that both parties have presented testimony that brings about a just verdict. Something swayed "one" juror and that juror shouldn't be chastised by the court of public opinion. That's why we have juries and each person is entitled, by law, to vote accordingly.

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Millwe

Nov-13-13 6:39 PM

Of course we do not have all the facts and if what was printed has any truth to it, it would appear that this particular female, and the rest of us, should always be in control of our actions (beer pong doesn't help). In the "perfect" world, men help drunk women, get them home and tuck them in. We, however, do not live in a perfect world, unfortunately. With all due respect, the question that was asked of the defendant quoted in the paper didn't do much for the plantiff, either. If you can't remember what happened things are not much in your favor during testimony, are they? Before you get someone locked up for a long time, you better have your facts straight and remember them! If you're waking up in strange places with strange men, without your clothes, I'd say you better quit drinking instead of blaming others for your real problem (alcoholism). Sorry, ladies at the "Y" but we women do need to take some responsibility for our own actions (or lack thereof)an

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Garben78

Nov-13-13 1:54 PM

Funny the same girl claiming rape was arrested for prostitution

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fromtheport

Nov-13-13 8:26 AM

The girl was drunk out of her mind she made a poor decision and she had sex with someone she didnt want to have sex with. After she realized what she did then she claims rape. Probably was talked into going to trial and making this public bu the fems at the Y. I hope this young girl learns from this incident and becomes a responsible drinker. Turn the tables around if she was so drunk she shows up at a strangers house, what would have happened if she got in a car and killed someone? Because she wasnt responsible isnt a reason to make someone other than her at fault for her actions.

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spike2

Nov-13-13 7:59 AM

Let's get real. This trial is fodder for sensationalism. The defendant is a dwarf, a little person. This much attention is unfortunately never given to most rape cases. Rape is a serious charge with serious consequences. Lots of good comments with the exception of radioactive. Radioactive was attacking the sister of an overdose victim just the other day and now sees how in a rape the onus can be on the female. Not one other man who posts takes this position. What's up with this? i can't blame talk radio, media, nothing because most people who comment are engaged in news and opinion. Just a question.

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rmiller

Nov-13-13 1:09 AM

"all you downvoters....The lone juror is your typical williamsport citizen..knuckle dragging white trash who things "the woman deserved it". This whole area is so freakin' backwards it's unbelievable. Go downvote, I don't care. And you all know it's the truth too."

Either you are black and being sarcastic to the white folks, or you are white, pretending to be above the rest of us, based on personal conjecture of comments that bear no resemblance to your perceived reality of what is actually being said. Nothing about racism has anything to do with this discussion.

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cheyenne

Nov-12-13 9:45 PM

How is the lone juror the "typical" citizen? Seems to me that the 11 out of 12 would be the typical. I guess you just needed a reason to spout off about your contempt for this area. Feel better now?

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DavidBross

Nov-12-13 9:23 PM

Mr. Reeder is a liberal. (I imagine Chuck can live with that label)

Most liberals are liars. (How can it be that some liberals are not liars?)

Liberal liars are disgusting humans with clear mental issues. (And how, pray tell, would you describe conservative liars?)

That is why nearly every mass murderer in the last 30 years has been a deranged liberal. (And why, I wonder, was this not true in the years prior to 1983)

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JustSomeGuy

Nov-12-13 8:28 PM

all you downvoters....The lone juror is your typical williamsport citizen..knuckle dragging white trash who things "the woman deserved it". This whole area is so freakin' backwards it's unbelievable. Go downvote, I don't care. And you all know it's the truth too.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-12-13 6:40 PM

Mr. Reeder is a liberal.

Most liberals are liars.

Liberal liars are disgusting humans with clear mental issues.

That is why nearly every mass murderer in the last 30 years has been a deranged liberal.

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Capricorn1

Nov-12-13 5:43 PM

Radioactive, I just have one question, if you sat on a jury for a rape trial, would you allow how the woman was dressed to influence your decision?

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GoBB62

Nov-12-13 4:05 PM

" we dont honor freedom" "we spit on the poor" "we are unamerican" and now "we use rape to make a political point" -leaningright

And don't forget, he reiterated that Lee Ermey was an actor who was never in the Marine Corps.

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Capricorn1

Nov-12-13 3:49 PM

The right has no problem using rape to make their political point! -Reeder

Chuck could you please give us some examples.

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Capricorn1

Nov-12-13 3:47 PM

really, cap? A girl in a bikini is photographed next to a car, to sell the car. She is not in Victorian garb. Get real, and stop playing the beachcomber excuse. sex sells. -Radioactive

Yes, s e x sells. However, no matter how a woman dresses, it gives no one the right to violate her. And in a court of law, it should have no bearing on the guilt or innocence of the defendant.

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rmiller

Nov-12-13 3:39 PM

Chuck,

Rape holds no political persuasion or economic or social status, period. You can't make this trivial. Nor does anyone else here see this other than....we do not know the evidence or lack thereof and are not positioned to comment as to this being a miscarriage of justice or not.

The letter hold this one truth. Regardless of the dress, demeanor, conduct or being put in a submissive state of mind altering drugs, no woman/young girl should be forced to have sex, period against her will!

I only offer advice to guard your bodies against wrong presentation and your actions that could place you in a compromising position you will surely regret the rest of your life.

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rmiller

Nov-12-13 3:33 PM

The concept that somehow a woman who dresses seductively and plays a flirt or even starts to engage in some physical contact and then wants to stop, for whatever reason.....then screams after the fact that she was raped has left many a man convicted without real cause. If three people decide to rob the bank, and two go in, one stays outside with the "get away car" and in the process someone gets killed, all three are culpable in the murder. However, if just the robbery occurs, no individuals hurt, do you still believe the person driving the car is any less culpable, when the three get away?

Rape is multifaceted and it is ugly, real justifiably legal rape. It scars a woman for life, not just the moment. There are, IMO....factors that weigh heavy on my mind if I were to serve on a jury rape trial. To convict a man of rape, because of the extreme violence of the act, I would have to be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt, it was rape.

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