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Misinformed

November 14, 2013

I am a retired lifelong union member and proud of it. Mr. Russo, when it comes to criticizing Jim Beamer and the unions, you are, apparently, not very well informed....

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gavinf56

Nov-14-13 5:35 AM

"You can argue all you want about high labor costs, but union workers are very efficient and knowledgeable and are, constantly, being updated on new technology." - Leonard C. Mahonski

True, but it really depends upon the union, the industry it is involved in, and the attitude of union's leadership towards the management.

Boeing's machinists in WA just rejected a long term deal with Boeing that would have secured their jobs for 8 years for some changes to their pensions and healthcare contributions. Now it looks like Boeing will be moving the production to another location affecting thousands of jobs in the WA state area.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-14-13 6:07 AM

Safety and quality work are not options in today's world....they are basic requirements.

Bragging about those is like bragging about the ability to read.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-14-13 6:26 AM

I am sure the training is very valuable. But then there is the other side of union activity.

Many years ago, our company was involved with building a powerplant in California and we filed all the appropriate permits with the state regulatory agencies. Our permits were opposed by the unions. For them to remove their objections, our company had to agree to use higher price union labor in the construction of the powerplant. The state laws were worded this way to allow what I call 'legalized extortion'.

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enigma

Nov-14-13 7:18 AM

Mr. Mahonski makes the point of union wastefulness very well. Ten years to train an electrician? That's how long it takes to train a doctor. It takes less than that to train the engineer who designs the electrical systems the electrician is working on. Either unions are the most wasteful organizations around or union members are the slowest learners in the world. Union rules are not about providing good service at good prices, they're about control, both of the union member and the market. Look for the union label and then buy the other one.

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hopeforfuture

Nov-14-13 7:42 AM

Unions had their place. Now they need to go to the companies in other countries that got our jobs when the union regulations became more than the market could handle. Go Unions Go. I mean go where you are needed where people are locked in factories and can't get out when there is a fire. Good job unions.

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leaningright

Nov-14-13 7:55 AM

Look at the city of Detroit,(bankrupt)(auto jobs gone) good job Unions, Mission accomplished. They also wanted Obamacare unitl they found out how it affected them and then they ran to the President and asked for exemptions.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-14-13 9:09 AM

I have no issue with private sector unions. They are competing in the marketplace (unless gov't gets involved).

It is public sector unions that are an absolute waste of taxpayer money.

There is no justification for a union among gov't employees.

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johnnyad3

Nov-14-13 9:14 AM

enigma - do some research before you dribble all over your bib. Electrical apprentices work during the day, 40 hours per week or more, and go to school at night or on the weekends for five years. It's hard work and requires commitment, good qualities to have.

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SteelerFan

Nov-14-13 10:11 AM

'There is no justification for a union among gov't employees.'

BINGO!!!

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CMReeder

Nov-14-13 10:12 AM

Good letter!

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underwood

Nov-14-13 10:13 AM

If all unions provided the training described in the letter they would provide a true worth to businesses, unfortunately any union I had experience with did none of this. Their main purpose seemed to be recruiting new members and protecting jobs of existing members. Now most unions are little more than special interest groups lobbying government for legislation to further their cause.

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CMReeder

Nov-14-13 11:14 AM

Unlike the special interest groups of corporations and businesses working against the interests of workers and their unions.

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gavinf56

Nov-14-13 12:57 PM

A company makes money, unions say it is on the backs of their workers and they deserve a piece of the profit.

A company starts losing money, unions say it's managements fault and good luck because we still want ours.

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Capricorn1

Nov-14-13 2:14 PM

There is no justification for a union among gov't employees. -Erik

Erik, I couldn't agree more!

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Shulski

Nov-14-13 3:43 PM

I'm for labor unions. The five years of training Mahonski described here are more valuable than the four years of training at Penn-College, which is just another college out to make money.

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Shulski

Nov-14-13 3:45 PM

For the record, I'm with tranyi and you folks when it comes to teacher's unions. A union pitted against government is pretty much double the bureaucracy. It's the people who aren't unionized who sometimes really need it. Like factory workers. Man, you want to talk about being scaerewed. Oftentimes, the hardest working people are the least paid and appreciated.

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Garben78

Nov-14-13 3:52 PM

Goes to show ignorance is much more costly then education

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FormerEastEnder

Nov-14-13 10:20 PM

ya'll can b**ch all you want.. im just glad I got my Twinkies back !!..now THAT was a good example of a good union !!! lol..the people at hostess are laughing all the way to the bank over the 'demands' of some bakers? yeah... do that again..lol

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FormerEastEnder

Nov-14-13 10:20 PM

ya'll can b**ch all you want.. im just glad I got my Twinkies back !!..now THAT was a good example of a good union !!! lol..the people at hostess are laughing all the way to the bank over the 'demands' of some bakers? yeah... do that again..lol

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Millwe

Nov-14-13 11:59 PM

Perhaps I am also "misinformed" but if all wages were union wages life would be good! Give me union over minimum wage any day. It seems we're going backwards instead of forward....no more unions and young children might be locked up in sweatshops.

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JohnHilfirty

Nov-18-13 7:39 PM

FormerEastEnder Nov-14-13 10:20 PM Agree | Disagree ya'll can b**ch all you want.. im just glad I got my Twinkies back !!..now THAT was a good example of a good union !!! lol..the people at hostess are laughing all the way to the bank over the 'demands' of some bakers? yeah... do that again..lol

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If I'm not mistaken, FormerEastEnder is taking a sarcastic shot at the unionnized bakers, and that's ok.

But it should be pointed out that the end result did not give Hostess the last laugh. Those products are no longer produced by Hostess! And Hostess no longer takes those profits to the bank.

If you check, you'll find that Hostess went bankrupt and sold the product line to a new company, known as Blue Bird. I believe that Blue Bird is owned and operated by the very same bakers who made the products before they went on strike.

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