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Why are we surprised?

November 16, 2013

I am surprised that anyone is surprised over the fact that the president pulled off the biggest bait and switch on the American people in history! When his term is up, he should get a job as a used......

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Ritty77

Jan-27-14 6:35 PM

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USABorn

Nov-19-13 5:12 AM

Keith......if Dumbama became a used car salesman, would you honestly buy a car from him knowing he is the biggest liar walking? He would fail in that job also!

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mikekerstetter

Nov-17-13 3:15 PM

Capricorn1-"Rick, to be honest I don't know what the answer is, but I don't really think this country can afford universal healthcare at this point."

Cap, it is said that only 15% of the people don't have health insurance of some kind, be it private insurance, medicaid or medicare. Do you really think that with a dedicated taxes shared by employers and employees and perhaps a national sales tax to supplement it, we can't afford to finance health care?

I don't think that's the case. Many employers don't cover their employees. Many employees don't pay or pay very little towards their coverage. Redistribute the medicare/medicaid moneys into the system and get everyone paying into the system and you'd have plenty of money to pay for universal health care.

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rick424

Nov-17-13 2:04 PM

Cap, I appreciate your honesty.

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Capricorn1

Nov-17-13 2:01 PM

Rick, to be honest I don't know what the answer is, but I don't really think this country can afford universal healthcare at this point. They need to establish a focus group that includes both sides of the aisle and professionals from the healthcare industry and insurance industry and develop a bipartisan plan. No lobbyist, no unions or any other special interest groups should have any input.

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rick424

Nov-17-13 1:19 PM

OK cap. What are we to do with all those not insured? Other than a voucher I see no other proposals. I have been reading more about Bush's plan and it sure is a win for big business. Now there is a surprise.

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Capricorn1

Nov-17-13 12:25 AM

Question Texas.just what are we to do with the poor, just what are we to do with all those Americans that don't have health care. -Rick

Rick, how do you think "the poor" are going to be able to afford this federal sales tax that you propose to pay for universal healthcare? Also, what do you consider "poor"? I know the way the government is expanding the qualifications for government assistance, soon even the middle class will be considered "poor". Or do you plan on giving them tax vouchers placing an even bigger burden on the middle class and the deficit? Universal health care may be a good idea for a country that is more economically sound and not 17 trillion dollars in debt. And personally, unless massive changes are made in government and existing programs to make them sustainable, I wouldn't trust government to manage healthcare for my dog. They have enough on their hands attempting to manage quality healthcare for veterans.

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rmiller

Nov-16-13 11:30 PM

Is spite of all that life is dealing all of us, please understand there is a God who is in control.

Tommorrow night (Sunday night) at 6pm, at Tabernacle Baptist Church at 4th and Maynard, my son is going to preach. God has gifted him and called him for His purpose. It would be nice if someone, even one person that I've bantered with for years, would come to hear the truth. Think on it...act on it.

6 pm services, over at 7pm...

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RogerMurdock

Nov-16-13 10:54 PM

Premier, Just to clarify. I believe there is in fact ocean-front property in Texas. While there may be differences between gulfs, seas and oceans, by definition the Gulf of Mexico is "an ocean basin surrounded by North America and Cuba". So, if Texas is situated on an ocean basin, it must have ocean-front property.

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ArtFold

Nov-16-13 10:05 PM

Barack Hussein Obama has pulled off a bigger scam than even Bernie Madoff did! How many years in prison did Madoff get?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-16-13 9:30 PM

My son spent this summer in Iraq with an organization that raises money to provide heart surgeries for children that have holes in their hearts due to those WMD that the USA could not find that Sadaam used on the Kurds. I suggest that you read the book called "Preemptive Love" by Jeremy Courtney. This is probably a better model for helping.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-16-13 9:27 PM

"just what are we to do with the poor, just what are we to do with all those Americans that don't have health care."--rick424

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Who are the poor; did they get that way because of the laws that our crony politicians passed favoring their buddies? Are the poor only in USA or what about the rest of the world? What range of services do you provide, from colds to flu to malaria to cancer to Aids to pregnancy to birth control to nutritional needs to cleft palates to heart problems, etc? Or how about proactively promoting life styles that are less dangerous? What about following God's plans for our behavior? How about sharing the gospel so that people can spend their eternal life with God because it provides a true "cure" to the temporal problems?

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rick424

Nov-16-13 8:27 PM

You ask for a plan I gave it. I am not remotely qualified to be president and neither are any of the "arm chair quarterbacks" that post on here. I hear a lot of complaining on here but no real concrete plan just name calling. Question Texas.just what are we to do with the poor, just what are we to do with all those Americans that don't have health care. I am in agreement with another poster on here, it seems as though the right just spits on the poor. It sure seems that way.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-16-13 8:16 PM

On my 7:26 PM post, it should have been "Health care insurance", not just "Health care".

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-16-13 8:09 PM

"If I were president I would do universal healthcare."--rick424

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Is that because you can do Monday morning quarterbacking?

The democrats in the House, Senate, and President got exactly the plan they wanted. They realized the government could not manage it as well as the private sector. They steam rolled over the republicans.

Oh and this federal sales tax, are you going to apply it to home sales, property sales, car sales, food and clothing (that PA does not tax), stock/bond sales, gasoline, electricity, phone service, etc? Have you done a projection to see how much revenue it will generate to cover the program?

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rick424

Nov-16-13 7:32 PM

If I were president I would do universal healthcare. If I had to use a federal sales tax to pay for it (sorry my liberal friends) so be it.

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rick424

Nov-16-13 7:27 PM

Texas that is an interesting point. I only have one provider but it is good. My guess is the business negotiates in good faith to get the best possible deal for them and you. Regardless, I could never afford to pay this on my own so I am happy with what I got. We need universal health care for all. My daughter has lived and currently is living in countries that have it and with her pre existing problem she has had no problems. Free good health care what a Novak idea. Face it guys you have no real plan and right now the ACA is all we got so come up with a better plan that works for all or your comments are just voices in the wind.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-16-13 7:26 PM

So Rick424 you throw rocks at the Republican plan, what is your plan? Let's play you are president, what would you do? I would repeal the federal plan and let the states do what they choose. Health care is part of the total compensation plan between the employer and employee. ACA look alike works in Mass where the average incomes are higher and there are less of the poorest. But even they have the individual mandate to contribute.

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rick424

Nov-16-13 7:11 PM

Ok I read about the HSP. If you have a family of 4 and make 25,000 a year the government will give you 1,000 dollars and 2,000 in tax credits for you to by insurance. Oh yea that will work. I am sure the insurance companies will jump on that if anyone in your family has a pre existing problem. Besides how would you even afford that with making on 25,000 a year. At that rate I highly doubt you even pay taxes so did the government just give you 3,000? And this was for high deductible insurance. What about the people who make even less than that? Lots of interesting stories about this and it seems it was great for big business but a fail for the workers. Oh those republicans, just don't get sick

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eriklatranyi

Nov-16-13 7:09 PM

Rick:

You can call it "some stupid voucher plan", but at least it would would not result in millions losing their health insurance.

Yes, you liberals care so much, you just made the problem bigger and more expensive.

Way to go!

That's what happens when you allow people who have no clue of reality write legislation as if they are in a classroom.

The way the rollout is going, that classroom was elementary school and the legislation was written in crayon.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-16-13 7:02 PM

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to not contribute into the program? Why did the democrats allowed the HICs, lobbyists, hospitals, doctors, and corporations in to write the legislation; where was the representation for the common citizen?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-16-13 7:00 PM

"Whatever, I am still waiting so we can have some real debate on here instead of the usual back and forth name calling."--Rick424

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Okay maybe you can explain this to me. It seems to me (and I may be wrong) that health insurance companies (HICs) seem to act more like monopolies. If I want to buy car or homeowners insurance, I have 20+- options; whereas my employer gives me only 2 companies and 3 plans that I can select from. It is like the HICs carve up the US so they can specialize in different areas and maximize their profit. If I want to opt out, I can't get that money paid to me as compensation; it is still part of the "pool" money for the company's group plan. It is still cheaper to buy through the company plan than going out and shopping for my own. Are the state insurance regulators puppets for the HICs?

Why can't I select another HICs, in other states/areas and their plans? Why did the employers get a year waiver from the Obama administration t

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-16-13 6:16 PM

"Again what were those plans??"--Rick424

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Why are you all of a sudden turning a piece of legislation pushed through by a democrat controlled House, Senate, and President and saying it is someone else's problem. During the GWB administration, they passed legislation for Health Savings Plans and it seemed to be working for those that wanted to participate. Your comment brings visions of an abortionist who is performing an abortion and perforates the womb allowing bleeding (that is leading to death) and then turns to the pro-lifer and says "you need to take care of this woman."

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Capricorn1

Nov-16-13 6:07 PM

Rick, why would you continue to bring up universal health care if as a liberal you should be supporting the ACA as you did before it actually became a reality? You have the right to your opinion, but I would like to ask how you plan on funding it? Also, seeing the result of how well government managed ACA, are you really comfortable with them managing a program as extensive as universal health care?

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underwood

Nov-16-13 5:46 PM

I remember when employers furnished major medical insurance to cover expensive stuff and we could pay for a Doctor’s visit out of pocket. That was before government stepped in and fixed things. Major medical plans were as affordable as any other insurance.

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