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Why are we surprised?

November 16, 2013

I am surprised that anyone is surprised over the fact that the president pulled off the biggest bait and switch on the American people in history! When his term is up, he should get a job as a used......

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Capricorn1

Nov-16-13 4:12 AM

Is what Obama doing even legal? Regardless what he says, are these renewed policies that don't comply with ACA regulations even legal just because Obama tells the insurance companies they can renew them? I ask because if an insured is denied coverage for something that is now covered by the ACA, can they sue the insurer because the policy does not meet federal regulations? Why did Obama circumvent Congress in making this decision when both the House and the Senate are already working on legislation that would make these changes legal? I think this whole thing smacks of arrogance on Obama's part and he merely did it to take the heat off himself and democrats without thoroughly thinking it through as to it's legal requirements or ramifications.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-16-13 4:29 AM

He thinks that he is justified in his actions and therefore above the law. He needs to go.

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GoBB62

Nov-16-13 4:32 AM

Engage the Blame Bush Battalion (sham, chuckles, 46IQ) of the Obama's-Never-At-Fault Deflection Brigade!!!!!

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 4:40 AM

Engage the Blame Bush Battalion (sham, chuckles, 46IQ) of the Obama's-Never-At-Fault Deflection Brigade!!!!!" - GoBB62

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Recognizing they totally-screwed-up is the "conservatives"' first-step towards recovery!!

Congratulations!!!

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See:

How The US Public Was Defrauded By The Hidden Cost Of The Iraq War | Michael Boyle

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 4:45 AM

"To think that you can cover more people with better health care at a reduced cost is laughable at best to believe such a thing. Everything is full of waste fraud and abuse, with no incentive to control costs, and no accountability when they do not!" - Keith McAndrew

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What're you...some kind o' anti-capitalist??!!!

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See:

Hospital Charges Vary Across U.S. For Same Procedures - Bloomberg

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Premier

Nov-16-13 4:56 AM

Oh how Sham seems to follow Obama's deflect and spin policies.

"Mr. President isn't it true that you deceived the American public about the ACA?"

Obama : "Well you see....uh.....er.....when addressing the ball....uh....the most important things are.....stance.....grip and of course.....follow through."

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 5:02 AM

"This is only the beginning. Wait until the employer mandate kicks in a year from now, and see how many more people lose their health care!" - Keith McAndrew

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If you need your employer to "baby-sit" you...regarding health-care...that's someone-else's fault???

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 5:08 AM

"If there is one democrat voted back into office in the mid term elections next November, then I have some ocean front property in Texas I would like to sell you." - Keith McAndrew

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Where...Galveston??

What...you own vacation-property, in Texas, and you're whining-about your employer's babysitting-responsibilities????

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Capricorn1

Nov-16-13 5:09 AM

Shaman, can you at least admit that this legislation wasn't fully thought through before signing it and that deception was used to gain the people's support? Can you admit that the legislation should have been delayed until all fixes were legally put into place and the software was adequately tested and secure? Can you admit that the administration totally mismanaged this program from day one? If not then it only proves that your blind support has no boundaries, and that my friend is extremely narrow minded. Even your democratic leaders know enough now to get as far away from this as they can. Wake up, Iraq and Bush have nothing to do with this debacle.

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GoBB62

Nov-16-13 5:12 AM

"Recognizing they totally-screwed-up is the "conservatives"' first-step towards recovery!!

Congratulations!!" - sham

From someone who like to use the terms "t-bagger" & "boner" , self-gratification comes pretty easy to you, sham.

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 5:16 AM

"Regardless what he says, are these renewed policies that don't comply with ACA regulations even legal just because Obama tells the insurance companies they can renew them? I ask because if an insured is denied coverage for something that is now covered by the ACA, can they sue the insurer because the policy does not meet federal regulations? Why did Obama circumvent Congress in making this decision when both the House and the Senate are already working on legislation that would make these changes legal?" - Capricorn1

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"...already..."??? SERIOUSLY???!!!

So, exactly when WAS it that "both the House and the Senate" saw THE LIGHT...and, decided they needed to deal with health-care??

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Capricorn1

Nov-16-13 5:23 AM

So, exactly when WAS it that "both the House and the Senate" saw THE LIGHT...and, decided they needed to deal with health-care?? -Shaman

Come on now Shaman, we are talking about THIS legislation, not healthcare in general. Don't try to reinvent the wheel. The ACA was suppose to be the greatest thing since peanut butter and Americans were assured that they would NOT lose their existing policies. Now that the rollout was a total disaster and millions found out they were lied to, you are having trouble justifying your unwavering support. Your attempt at deflection is glaringly obvious.

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RogerMurdock

Nov-16-13 5:27 AM

I'm not sure what the writer means with his "ocean front property in Texas" metaphor. With 367 miles of shoreline and 1150 seaports, Texas is a major player in the beachfront property arena. Just thought you might be interested.

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 5:32 AM

"Shaman, can you at least admit that this legislation wasn't fully thought through before signing it..." - Capricorn1

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I recognize Republicans refused to (even) think-ABOUT health-care reform...before Obama "held their feet to the fire"!!

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"Democrats have spent WEEKS scouring the package to make sure it can clear the complicated procedural hurdles that face any reconciliation bill in the Senate, but Republicans are JUST STARTING their review of the final package."

See:

House Passes Health-Care Reform Bill Without Republican Votes [WaPo]

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 5:35 AM

So, exactly when WAS it that "both the House and the Senate" saw THE LIGHT...and, decided they needed to deal with health-care?? -Shaman

Come on now Shaman, we are talking about THIS legislation, not healthcare in general. Don't try to reinvent the wheel." - Capricorn1

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...And, don't YOU suggest Republicans (even) GAVE-a-damn about health-care reform....before the 2008 Election!!!

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Capricorn1

Nov-16-13 5:41 AM

"Democrats have spent WEEKS scouring the package to make sure it can clear the complicated procedural hurdles that face any reconciliation bill in the Senate, but Republicans are JUST STARTING their review of the final package." -Shaman

I seriously doubt that there were many democrats that fully understood the thousands of pages contained in the legislation before signing it. If they did, then why are they suddenly surprised when millions of people are dropped? This legislation was rammed through the process while democrats still had full control. Are there problems with our healthcare system? Of course. But passing shoddy legislation that most didn't understand is NOT necessarily better than passing no legislation at all. I think we are seeing that now.

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 5:41 AM

I'm not sure what the writer means with his "ocean front property in Texas" metaphor. With 367 miles of shoreline and 1150 seaports, Texas is a major player in the beachfront property arena. Just thought you might be interested." - RogerMurdock

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We ARE referencing a (TYPICAL) geographically-challenged Williamsporter, here; i.e. an individual who's barely made it outside the County, who ALSO insists on "educating" everyone-ELSE about "the real World".

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 5:53 AM

"Democrats have spent WEEKS scouring the package to make sure it can clear the complicated procedural hurdles that face any reconciliation bill in the Senate, but Republicans are JUST STARTING their review of the final package." -Shaman

I seriously doubt that there were many democrats that fully understood the thousands of pages contained in the legislation before signing it." - Capricorn1

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...Not-to-MENTION those T-Baggin'/Class O' 2010 gridlockers, who wouldn't (even) CONSIDER it!!!!

Hey...we had to start somewhere...some time.

Despite insistence-AGAINST (by the least-educated), it's the-adult-thing-to-do; ECONOMICALLY-speaking.

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See:

Death By For-Profit Health Care - Strike Debt!

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Premier

Nov-16-13 5:54 AM

For the geographically-challenged Shaman I suggest you get out a globe and realize there is no "ocean front property" in Texas.

It's called the Gulf of Mexico for a reason. There are differences between Oceans, Sea's and Gulf's.

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Capricorn1

Nov-16-13 5:56 AM

I seriously doubt that there were many democrats that fully understood the thousands of pages contained in the legislation before signing it." - Capricorn1

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...Not-to-MENTION those T-Baggin'/Class O' 2010 gridlockers, who wouldn't (even) CONSIDER it!!!! -Shaman

ummm... exactly when was this legislation signed into law???

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mikekerstetter

Nov-16-13 6:08 AM

MrShaman-"...Not-to-MENTION those T-Baggin'/Class O' 2010 gridlockers, who wouldn't (even) CONSIDER it!!!!Hey...we had to start somewhere...some time."

Yeah, and most intelligent folk realize that the time to address it was BEFORE it was passed by Obama and the rest of the liberal dullards in March of 2010, or in the three years since. Now Obama, as my late grandmother would say, has his proverbial t_i_t in the wringer because he lied to us for years so he needs to 'fix' it before midterms. He and his ilk had no intention of fixing it last month. My how things have changed since.

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spike2

Nov-16-13 6:37 AM

How about they should all go. Period. Both sides. Start everything over with new people from all sides who will work together and listen to each other.

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CMReeder

Nov-16-13 7:21 AM

The writer of this letter has future as a used car salesman also.

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Premier

Nov-16-13 7:33 AM

Reeder if you ever had an original thought it would probably still be from someone else.

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hopeforfuture

Nov-16-13 7:37 AM

Some brave congress-person should present a bill stating that they never ever again pass a bill that was not read.

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