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Heroin epidemic

November 16, 2013

There was an article in the Sun Gazette on Friday November 8, 2013. Heroin is destroying our young people and I am sorry to say there is no easy solution to this problem....

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andy33

Nov-17-13 7:53 AM

Reeder writes.....

CMReeder Nov-16-13 12:11 PM Agree | Disagree Where did you live Andy33?

Pot was readily available, I remember all the high schools doing locker searches. Don't you remember the drug busts and drug overdoses. People were arrested for pot even the lead singer of a very popular local music group when I was a teen. There was reports of ****** and cocaine along with *** and other drugs later came crack. Drug sales happened but more discreetly and yes sometimes out in the open like at dances and sporting events. #####################################

Well....clearly NOT on the streets!!!!

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Capricorn1

Nov-17-13 12:36 AM

Capricorn1 the Taliban has been supporting and protecting poppy farmers and are now involved in the drug trade to support their insurgency. They have been doing that since 2008. -Reeder

Of course they are. That is when the U.S government began to change their approach and actually began assisting the Afghanistan government in eradicating poppy fields. In response, the Taliban is now undermining that effort. You don't think they would actually support our efforts do you? Like I said, it is unknown what effect our withdraw will have on opium production.

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rmiller

Nov-16-13 11:31 PM

Is spite of all that life is dealing all of us, please understand there is a God who is in control.

Tommorrow night (Sunday night) at 6pm, at Tabernacle Baptist Church at 4th and Maynard, my son is going to preach. God has gifted him and called him for His purpose. It would be nice if someone, even one person that I've bantered with for years, would come to hear the truth. Think on it...act on it.

6 pm services, over at 7pm...

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rmiller

Nov-16-13 11:14 PM

The whole "legalize" drugs philosophy pales. Here is why. Alcohol, despite it's legalization didn't stop killing people and destroying homes. Neither will legalization of drugs. People don't get hooked with the intention of making the cartel richer. They get hooked because of the nature of the drug combined with the mental weaknesses. Legalization, aimed at reducing drugs, will only reduce the profit margin for the dealers. It won't stop the negative and destructive affects on people anymore than legalization of alcohol stopped its destructive path since its inception into legality.

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AnniegetURgun

Nov-16-13 8:31 PM

Just do drugs, they have no goal but DEATH! Reality is reality, sorry.

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spike2

Nov-16-13 6:55 PM

Endangering the Welfare and DUI are entirely separate offenses from drug charges. Neither would "go away" if some drugs were decriminalized. Yes there was ****** here in the 60's and early 70's. Not as diverse a group as today. Much smaller and all knew each other. Seems they made great effort to be discreet. The 1980's into the '90's brought a new assortment of addicts. I think we again saw ****** but far more *************. Now we seem to be dealing with the largest ****** problem to ever hit this area.

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underwood

Nov-16-13 6:23 PM

Just saying drug use infringes on other’s basic rights doesn’t add to the discussion, you’ll have to explain how you think someone’s drug use infringes on other’s basic rights; and that doesn’t mean some invented rights.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-16-13 6:05 PM

"Drug use does infringe on other's basic rights."--CMReeder

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I agree.

I had a similar discussion with CHayes about two years ago.

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underwood

Nov-16-13 5:40 PM

I’m sure we’d all be a lot safer if the criminal element were gone from the drug business. Your property and personal rights will be the same either way.

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USABorn

Nov-16-13 3:02 PM

underwood - 12:05 PM

"drug use is a personal choice and doesn’t infringe upon anyone else’s basic rights."

Isn't the right to feel safe in one's home a "basic right?

My last oxy prescription was $199.99. I use it only when the pain reaches the point of intolerable. I had a prescription so it was covered by insurance.

How is the hero-in user to pay for their product? Once regulated by the government, it will become even more expensive....as always!!!! How many people in the U.S. are killed during home invasions by people looking for drug money?

I would call not being murdered in one's own home a basic right.

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CMReeder

Nov-16-13 2:40 PM

One more thing you said that it doesn't infringe on an other's basic rights, it does and I showed how.

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underwood

Nov-16-13 2:39 PM

There’s no excuse for drug use whether it’s criminal or not. It’s the criminality we’re discussing and there are many poor choices people can make that aren’t criminal.

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CMReeder

Nov-16-13 1:42 PM

First you are addressing drug use not poor choices, by putting it under the umbrella of poor choices you are not discussing drug use you are excusing it.

Second there is a health risk and not just for the user. Paraphernalia can carry diseases as we have seen with the onslaught of the AIDS epidemic.

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underwood

Nov-16-13 1:12 PM

Endangering the welfare of a child and driving under the influence are and would still be illegal if drug use were decriminalized. Health dangers only affect the user and there are many other habits that are as bad or worse. There are all kinds of poor choices people make; should we make all of them illegal?

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CMReeder

Nov-16-13 12:35 PM

Drug use does infringe on other's basic rights. Examples are endangering the welfare of a child, driving under the influence, there is also health dangers.

You have to be very careful when it comes to decriminalizing drugs. There is a danger to society with uncheck and unregulated drug use.

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CMReeder

Nov-16-13 12:22 PM

Capricorn1 the Taliban has been supporting and protecting poppy farmers and are now involved in the drug trade to support their insurgency. They have been doing that since 2008. They have been doing any effort to change the farmers to growing something else. Poppy farmers in a poor nation like Afghanistan make enough in one crop to live for a year. The Taliban protects them now from Western influences.

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CMReeder

Nov-16-13 12:11 PM

Where did you live Andy33?

Pot was readily available, I remember all the high schools doing locker searches. Don't you remember the drug busts and drug overdoses. People were arrested for pot even the lead singer of a very popular local music group when I was a teen. There was reports of ****** and cocaine along with *** and other drugs later came crack. Drug sales happened but more discreetly and yes sometimes out in the open like at dances and sporting events.

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underwood

Nov-16-13 12:05 PM

I’m not in the habit of supporting Sham’s posts, but it’s doubtful if we’d see a change in the amount of drug use if it were decriminalized. Drug use can’t be compared with slavery and murder as they’re crimes against others; drug use is a personal choice and doesn’t infringe upon anyone else’s basic rights.

Decriminalization would eliminate the criminal involvement in the drug trade and save a ton of money trying to enforce the war on drugs.

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JohnZook

Nov-16-13 10:07 AM

I cannot believe what I just read. Sham @9:46.... WHY DON'T WE JUST LEGALIZE IT? Sure, right after we legalize slavery and murder. Only complete fools could ever think like that and thank God there are only a couple on this post. I've got an idea- lets send Sham in search of that ocean front property on the Gulf of Mexico!

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 9:51 AM

"Afghan farmers struggle to survive. The US has tried to change the crops from poppies to wheat, saffron and others to little success.

Why?

Because the farmers can make more money growing poppies.

The drug cartels have more money to throw at the farmers than the US and international community has (who has to borrow the money).

So, it is not very easy to stop it.

Lastly, Afghanistan is not the only area of the world where the poppy can be grown.

Like plugging a leak in a dam, another just opens up.

The key is to try and slow demand." - eriklatranyi

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...OR, accommodate it...like we did with alcohol.

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 9:46 AM

"Addiction is a mental disorder and for most of the addicted the only way is to never use again. How do we help those people. Jail might help for a short time. What then, they get out and know where to go to get the stuff again. How do we help?" - hopeforfuture

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How 'bout we approach this problem, like adults...rather-than missionaries...and, legalize it??

It'd me MUCH-less-expensive...quality would be consistent...and, much like insulin, it could be dispensed in accurately-measured-doses. If they get tired of "the Life" (eventually), they'll quit.

Like any OTHER drug...if that's the user's choice...and, they're not hurting anyone-else...who's business IS it??!!!

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 9:37 AM

"Chuck while I agree that it has been around a long time, how else would you explain the abundance and low cost of it the last ten years, especially seeing that the majority of the world's supply comes from Afghanistan?" - Capricorn1

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Tooooooooooooooooo easy!!

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See:

Have We Simply Made Afghanistan Safe For Opium Production?

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 9:10 AM

Reeder....where did you live?....I never saw drugs sold openly on any corner or even heard the word hero/in mentioned....so where did you live!!!!!" - andy33

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He's right. There was plenty of "junk", coming into Williamsport (from NYC), in 1969. It wasn't as pure (as it is, now), but...Williamsport DID have it's share o' junkies, in the late-60s. That's (exactly) why there have been so many people dying (of Hep C), over the last-few-years.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-16-13 9:07 AM

Follow the money.

Afghan farmers struggle to survive. The US has tried to change the crops from poppies to wheat, saffron and others to little success.

Why?

Because the farmers can make more money growing poppies.

The drug cartels have more money to throw at the farmers than the US and international community has (who has to borrow the money).

So, it is not very easy to stop it.

Lastly, Afghanistan is not the only area of the world where the poppy can be grown.

Like plugging a leak in a dam, another just opens up.

The key is to try and slow demand.

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 9:06 AM

Sadly I think the situation is going to get worse before it gets better. Afghanistan is the leading supplier of opium in the world and it is being reported that they have had a record year. It's one of the casualties of the war on terror." - Capricorn1

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...If you consider the "war on terror" having started in the '40s.

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See:

Archive - Guns, Drugs, And The Cia | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS

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When it comes right-down-TO-it, this Country has a LONG (and, VERY-profitable) "relationship" with opium!!!

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See:

American Opium Merchants - Geni

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