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Heroin epidemic

November 16, 2013

There was an article in the Sun Gazette on Friday November 8, 2013. Heroin is destroying our young people and I am sorry to say there is no easy solution to this problem....

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Capricorn1

Nov-16-13 4:26 AM

Sadly I think the situation is going to get worse before it gets better. Afghanistan is the leading supplier of opium in the world and it is being reported that they have had a record year. It's one of the casualties of the war on terror. Taliban leadership had eradicated opium production prior to U.S. forces driving them out. It's unknown how the withdraw of U.S. forces in 2014 will effect the country's major cash crop.

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CMReeder

Nov-16-13 7:20 AM

The Taliban protected and made money from opium fields.

While this is an informative letter herion is nothing new, it was around when I was a teen here in Williamsport.

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andy33

Nov-16-13 7:25 AM

Reeder....where did you live?....I never saw drugs sold openly on any corner or even heard the word hero/in mentioned....so where did you live!!!!!

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Capricorn1

Nov-16-13 7:36 AM

The Taliban protected and made money from opium fields. -Reeder

"In July 2000, Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, collaborating with the United Nations to eradicate ****** production in Afghanistan, declared that growing poppies was un-Islamic, resulting in one of the world's most successful anti-drug campaigns. The Taliban enforced a ban on poppy farming via threats, forced eradication, and public punishment of transgressors. The result was a 99% reduction in the area of opium poppy farming in Taliban-controlled areas, roughly three quarters of the world's supply of ****** at the time. The ban was effective only briefly due to the deposition of the Taliban in 2002." Wikipedia

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Capricorn1

Nov-16-13 7:45 AM

Chuck while I agree that it has been around a long time, how else would you explain the abundance and low cost of it the last ten years, especially seeing that the majority of the world's supply comes from Afghanistan? The Taliban was successful in all but eliminating it, but U.S. Forces forced them out and turned a blind eye to it's production in order to gain intelligence from local farmers. Only recently has the U.S. government been assisting the local government in trying to eradicate it, but with widespread corruption throughout their government, attempts have been basically unsuccessful judging by the record crops they had this year. It is what it is.

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hopeforfuture

Nov-16-13 7:48 AM

Her*** has been around throughout history. The problem we face today is what to do with the people who are addicted. There was a time when we as a society took care of the mentally ill. Addiction is a mental disorder and for most of the addicted the only way is to never use again. How do we help those people. Jail might help for a short time. What then, they get out and know where to go to get the stuff again. How do we help?

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Capricorn1

Nov-16-13 7:59 AM

Hopeforfortune, you are exactly right. The war on drugs has been an epic failure party because too much emphasis was placed on eradication and not enough on rehabilitation. And Judge Nancy Butts said it best, "I have never been able to sentence anyone to sobriety". One only needs to look at the statistics to see that most are not getting drug rehabilitation in prison.

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BornHere

Nov-16-13 8:22 AM

I worked for Lycoming County Board of Assistance back in the 80's as a caseworker. Many of my clients then had drug addiction problems including h e r i o n addiction. The addiction back then wasn't laid out in the streets as much as it is today, it was more secretive so it made it harder to get people the help that they needed.

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 8:40 AM

"****** is processed from morphine." - Sally L. Wiegand

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...And, m o r p h i n e is processed from o p i u m.

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See:

The Spoils of War: Afghanistan’s Multibillion Dollar H e r o i n Trade | Global Research

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 9:06 AM

Sadly I think the situation is going to get worse before it gets better. Afghanistan is the leading supplier of opium in the world and it is being reported that they have had a record year. It's one of the casualties of the war on terror." - Capricorn1

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...If you consider the "war on terror" having started in the '40s.

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See:

Archive - Guns, Drugs, And The Cia | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS

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When it comes right-down-TO-it, this Country has a LONG (and, VERY-profitable) "relationship" with opium!!!

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See:

American Opium Merchants - Geni

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eriklatranyi

Nov-16-13 9:07 AM

Follow the money.

Afghan farmers struggle to survive. The US has tried to change the crops from poppies to wheat, saffron and others to little success.

Why?

Because the farmers can make more money growing poppies.

The drug cartels have more money to throw at the farmers than the US and international community has (who has to borrow the money).

So, it is not very easy to stop it.

Lastly, Afghanistan is not the only area of the world where the poppy can be grown.

Like plugging a leak in a dam, another just opens up.

The key is to try and slow demand.

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 9:10 AM

Reeder....where did you live?....I never saw drugs sold openly on any corner or even heard the word hero/in mentioned....so where did you live!!!!!" - andy33

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He's right. There was plenty of "junk", coming into Williamsport (from NYC), in 1969. It wasn't as pure (as it is, now), but...Williamsport DID have it's share o' junkies, in the late-60s. That's (exactly) why there have been so many people dying (of Hep C), over the last-few-years.

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 9:37 AM

"Chuck while I agree that it has been around a long time, how else would you explain the abundance and low cost of it the last ten years, especially seeing that the majority of the world's supply comes from Afghanistan?" - Capricorn1

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Tooooooooooooooooo easy!!

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See:

Have We Simply Made Afghanistan Safe For Opium Production?

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 9:46 AM

"Addiction is a mental disorder and for most of the addicted the only way is to never use again. How do we help those people. Jail might help for a short time. What then, they get out and know where to go to get the stuff again. How do we help?" - hopeforfuture

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How 'bout we approach this problem, like adults...rather-than missionaries...and, legalize it??

It'd me MUCH-less-expensive...quality would be consistent...and, much like insulin, it could be dispensed in accurately-measured-doses. If they get tired of "the Life" (eventually), they'll quit.

Like any OTHER drug...if that's the user's choice...and, they're not hurting anyone-else...who's business IS it??!!!

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MrShaman

Nov-16-13 9:51 AM

"Afghan farmers struggle to survive. The US has tried to change the crops from poppies to wheat, saffron and others to little success.

Why?

Because the farmers can make more money growing poppies.

The drug cartels have more money to throw at the farmers than the US and international community has (who has to borrow the money).

So, it is not very easy to stop it.

Lastly, Afghanistan is not the only area of the world where the poppy can be grown.

Like plugging a leak in a dam, another just opens up.

The key is to try and slow demand." - eriklatranyi

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...OR, accommodate it...like we did with alcohol.

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JohnZook

Nov-16-13 10:07 AM

I cannot believe what I just read. Sham @9:46.... WHY DON'T WE JUST LEGALIZE IT? Sure, right after we legalize slavery and murder. Only complete fools could ever think like that and thank God there are only a couple on this post. I've got an idea- lets send Sham in search of that ocean front property on the Gulf of Mexico!

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underwood

Nov-16-13 12:05 PM

I’m not in the habit of supporting Sham’s posts, but it’s doubtful if we’d see a change in the amount of drug use if it were decriminalized. Drug use can’t be compared with slavery and murder as they’re crimes against others; drug use is a personal choice and doesn’t infringe upon anyone else’s basic rights.

Decriminalization would eliminate the criminal involvement in the drug trade and save a ton of money trying to enforce the war on drugs.

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CMReeder

Nov-16-13 12:11 PM

Where did you live Andy33?

Pot was readily available, I remember all the high schools doing locker searches. Don't you remember the drug busts and drug overdoses. People were arrested for pot even the lead singer of a very popular local music group when I was a teen. There was reports of ****** and cocaine along with *** and other drugs later came crack. Drug sales happened but more discreetly and yes sometimes out in the open like at dances and sporting events.

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CMReeder

Nov-16-13 12:22 PM

Capricorn1 the Taliban has been supporting and protecting poppy farmers and are now involved in the drug trade to support their insurgency. They have been doing that since 2008. They have been doing any effort to change the farmers to growing something else. Poppy farmers in a poor nation like Afghanistan make enough in one crop to live for a year. The Taliban protects them now from Western influences.

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CMReeder

Nov-16-13 12:35 PM

Drug use does infringe on other's basic rights. Examples are endangering the welfare of a child, driving under the influence, there is also health dangers.

You have to be very careful when it comes to decriminalizing drugs. There is a danger to society with uncheck and unregulated drug use.

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underwood

Nov-16-13 1:12 PM

Endangering the welfare of a child and driving under the influence are and would still be illegal if drug use were decriminalized. Health dangers only affect the user and there are many other habits that are as bad or worse. There are all kinds of poor choices people make; should we make all of them illegal?

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CMReeder

Nov-16-13 1:42 PM

First you are addressing drug use not poor choices, by putting it under the umbrella of poor choices you are not discussing drug use you are excusing it.

Second there is a health risk and not just for the user. Paraphernalia can carry diseases as we have seen with the onslaught of the AIDS epidemic.

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underwood

Nov-16-13 2:39 PM

There’s no excuse for drug use whether it’s criminal or not. It’s the criminality we’re discussing and there are many poor choices people can make that aren’t criminal.

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CMReeder

Nov-16-13 2:40 PM

One more thing you said that it doesn't infringe on an other's basic rights, it does and I showed how.

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USABorn

Nov-16-13 3:02 PM

underwood - 12:05 PM

"drug use is a personal choice and doesn’t infringe upon anyone else’s basic rights."

Isn't the right to feel safe in one's home a "basic right?

My last oxy prescription was $199.99. I use it only when the pain reaches the point of intolerable. I had a prescription so it was covered by insurance.

How is the hero-in user to pay for their product? Once regulated by the government, it will become even more expensive....as always!!!! How many people in the U.S. are killed during home invasions by people looking for drug money?

I would call not being murdered in one's own home a basic right.

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