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November 17, 2013

In a recent editorial titled "Did court go too far?" the Sun-Gazette proudly argued that our president has superhuman power....

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BornHere

Nov-18-13 10:15 AM

Interesting articles thank you MrShaman.

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MrShaman

Nov-18-13 8:56 AM

So...where's all this "exceptionalism" that "conservatives" so-rabidly rave-about??? -Shaman

Shaman, neither party has the market cornered on exceptionalism...." - Capricorn1

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...Or, that we (even) have any right to CALL ourselves "exceptional"; overall!!!

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MrShaman

Nov-18-13 8:53 AM

See:

Pentagon, CIA Eye New Threat: Climate Change

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Capricorn1

Nov-18-13 8:43 AM

So...where's all this "exceptionalism" that "conservatives" so-rabidly rave-about??? -Shaman

Shaman, neither party has the market cornered on exceptionalism or laziness.

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MrShaman

Nov-18-13 8:35 AM

"Shaman, regarding your JFK quote, it seems Obama doesn't agree seeing as he canceled the space program." - Capricorn1

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Yeah...I'm sure that (really) broke the collective-hearts of all o' those 1%ers/high-roller$ that "need" (more) tax-cuts.

The LARGER-meaning (of that quote), was how...at one time...we actually EMBRACED challenges/risks. Presently, we're an aberration of those times...as-well-as our Industrial Revolution years....in-deference-to "conservative"-politics; i.e. the safety of the status-quo.

So...where's all this "exceptionalism" that "conservatives" so-rabidly rave-about???

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Capricorn1

Nov-18-13 4:53 AM

Shaman, regarding your JFK quote, it seems Obama doesn't agree seeing as he canceled the space program. You also consistently bring up laziness. What have YOU done to reduce YOUR carbon foot print? Or are you and other liberals just as lazy as the rest of us?

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USABorn

Nov-18-13 4:35 AM

***ushima disaster.

Now the SG is against names?

Fu ku shima

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USABorn

Nov-18-13 4:33 AM

MrShaman - 4:23 PM

"Beijing Starts Shift From Coal To Gas"

Across the globe, there are at least 1,199 coal plants now on the drawing board. (Newest report from World Resources Institute)

Many of these proposed new plants are in China and India, which account for 76 percent of proposed capacity. Turkey and Russia also have big plans. And a growing number of coal plants are being proposed for developing countries such as Cambodia, Guatemala and Uzbekistan, nations that are looking to cut-rate sources of energy to fuel economic growth.

In Europe and Japan, once-moribund coal plant proposals are being revived after nuclear reactors were shut down in the wake of the ***ushima disaster.

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mikekerstetter

Nov-18-13 4:16 AM

David, I believe #1 is true. 2 and 3 not so much. I think the climate has always been changing and always will and we have adapted it all along. I don't think anything is happening that hasn't happened before and we will adapt just as we have before. The only real difference is the infrastructure we have built in vulnerable areas that wasn't there 300 years ago.

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DavidBross

Nov-17-13 8:55 PM

Here are a few thoughts I have confidence are true. 1. The earth's climate has changed and will continue to change with or without human activity. 2. Human activity is increasing the rate at which global warming is increasing. 3. We are not prepared to deal with the impact of climate change, regardless of what causes it.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-17-13 7:07 PM

Beijing Starts Shift From Coal To Gas" - MrShaman

Yet liberals in the US oppose our transition to natural gas.

More liberal hypocrisy on display!

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gavinf56

Nov-17-13 5:01 PM

...and even though we didn't agree to the Kyoto Protocol, we have met and nearly exceeded the goal for the US.

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gavinf56

Nov-17-13 5:00 PM

"See:

Beijing Starts Shift From Coal To Gas" - MrShaman

See;

U.S. ENERGY-RELATED CARBON DIOXIDE EMISSIONS DECLINED 3.8 PERCENT IN 2012 - Independent Statistics and Analysis, U.S. Energy Information Agency

A few key notes;

-The 2012 downturn means that emissions are at their lowest level since 1994 and over 12 percent below the recent 2007 peak.

-After 1990, only the recession year of 2009 saw a larger percentage emissions decrease than 2012.

-Energy-related carbon dioxide emissions have declined in 5 out of the last 7 years.

I will bet China can't say the same?

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CMReeder

Nov-17-13 4:49 PM

LOL

The writer is not trying to sway the believers.

LOL

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MrShaman

Nov-17-13 4:23 PM

"IF those people who truly believe humans create global warming shouldn't they be looking to the countries that are the biggest contributors. China comes to mind. BUT no all of the global warming is the fault of the greedy American." - hopeforfuture

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No. The suggestion is...the Chinese are a "little"-less LAZY, than Americans.

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See:

Beijing Starts Shift From Coal To Gas

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MrShaman

Nov-17-13 3:59 PM

"Statistics and percentages can and will be manipulated to support whatever side the author of any given report supports." - mfross

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See:

UCS: Independent Science, Practical Solutions | Union of Concerned Scientists

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MrShaman

Nov-17-13 3:55 PM

"Sideliner, can we then agree that 1 volcanic eruption will put thousands of time more poisons in the air than all of man kind ever has?" - Premier

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Lemme guess...you "forgot" where that lil' factoid resides, right??

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MrShaman

Nov-17-13 3:52 PM

"How can one give an intelligent argument against carbon dioxide emissions through human activity does not effect the air we breath and the atmosphere that protects the planet? How can one intelligently argue that pouring poison into the air is a good thing?" - sideliner

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I'm guessing it's those (same) folks who are convinced "The Second Coming" is right-around-the-corner, so...what's the point?

So much for the whole "stewardship"-trip.

"And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it." - Genesis 2:15

(Still lookin' for the part, in the Bible, where it suggests laziness is somehow "divine".)

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MrShaman

Nov-17-13 3:41 PM

"Another laughably false claim by the Sun- Gazette is that "unilateral action by the U.S. would have only a miniscule effect on the situation"." - Richard Saunders

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...As-if the T-Bagger types ever NEEDED a standard-bearer for their laziness.

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"Those WHO CAME BEFORE US made CERTAIN that this country RODE THE FIRST WAVES OF THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTIONS, the first waves of MODERN INVENTION, and the first wave of nuclear power, and this generation DOES NOT INTEND TO FOUNDER in the backwash of the coming age of space.

We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too." - JFK, September 12, 1962

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Premier

Nov-17-13 1:33 PM

insert:why things evolve

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Premier

Nov-17-13 1:31 PM

Mike, everything must remain a consent or we have to throw a trillion dollars at it to find out thing evolve.

A third grader could tell these environmentalist the reality of things ever changing but they would say "well next year you'll be in forth grade and we mush do research to find out why".

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Premier

Nov-17-13 1:26 PM

Wow, Friday morning it was 26 degrees here and yesterday morning it was 53 degrees....we are doomed!

It's called weather for a reason.

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mikekerstetter

Nov-17-13 12:41 PM

CMReeder-"...it won't sway the entrenched deniers."

Nor will anything sway the entrenched believers.

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mikekerstetter

Nov-17-13 12:38 PM

sideliner-"How can one give an intelligent argument against carbon dioxide emissions through human activity does not effect the air we breath and the atmosphere that protects the planet?

Sideliner, when I was in school all the scientists insisted that we were headed to an ice age because of our usage of carbon fuels and the carbon dioxide emissions. In the 90's they changed up, and insisted that we were headed in the direction of global warming and all the ice was melting and most coastal cities would be under water in short order. Now they've changed again, and they are telling us the 'climate change' is upon us and it is going to bring widespread increases in extreme weather.

Given the three different scenarios given in the last 4 decades, how can one seriously try to claim we are to blame for anything happening with the climate? Intelligence tells me the scientists have absolutely no frickin idea what is going on with the climate.

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farmer

Nov-17-13 10:55 AM

Statistics and percentages can and will be manipulated to support whatever side the author of any given report supports. All the peer reviewed papers I have read state the opposite of your 97%. mfross Mr. Fross, just to clarify, could you give us a short list of the scientific journals you've been reading? Thank you for your time.

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