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November 21, 2013

OK, so let me get this straight. The fixes for the health care website are now estimated to cost over a billion dollars(that's with a B folks)....

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Capricorn1

Nov-21-13 4:30 AM

Well said Barry and thank you for your service. You and I probably won't see the implications of what's happening today, but God help our grandkids.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-21-13 4:45 AM

When I divide 1,000,000,000 by 314,000,000, I get $3.18 per person for healthcaregov.

The ACA legislation will create a greater dependence upon government and the actual costs to people will become a greater financial burden on most people.

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Ritty77

Nov-21-13 4:48 AM

$1,000,000,000/314,000,000=$3.18, not 3 million.

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Capricorn1

Nov-21-13 5:07 AM

Keith, considering 47% currently pay nothing in federal taxes and another 12 to 20 million illegals, that probably brings the cost up somewhat.

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Capricorn1

Nov-21-13 5:10 AM

Regardless if it's 6.00 or 6000.00 it was a totally mismanaged endeavor by both the contractor that was given preference and the government who oversaw the work. But this can be said about the majority of contracts that government has it's hands in and that paid with by our tax dollars.

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gavinf56

Nov-21-13 5:12 AM

You think this round of cancellations is bad, wait until the next round in Oct. 2014!

See;

Thousands of Small Businesses Will Start Losing Their Health Care Policies Under Obamacare. Here"s Why - Forbes

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MrShaman

Nov-21-13 5:49 AM

"OK, so let me get this straight. The fixes for the health care website are now estimated to cost over a billion dollars(that's with a B folks)." - Barry L. Farr US Navy (retired)

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At least, we (now) know...you're getting your daily-requirement of FAUX Noise...'cause, they're the only "news"-service (I could find), who'd approve of your message.

I ALSO found what I'd fully-expected...the (anonymous) programmers are FINALLY comin'-outta-the-"woodwork", and it's fairly-evident...like so MANY times, in the past...to be a management-issue!!!

There's no WAY the federal-government would have had access to this software...unless software-development management had signed-OFF on doing-so!!

The (typical) corporate finger-pointing has COMMENCED!!!!

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See:

Obamacare Website Programmers Complained About Unrealistic Deadlines

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MrShaman

Nov-21-13 5:53 AM

"Well said Barry and thank you for your service. You and I probably won't see the implications of what's happening today, but God help our grandkids." - Capricorn1

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<Groan> O.K., I give-up. What's "happening today"???

You "forgot" (as usual) to be more-specific.

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leaningright

Nov-21-13 5:54 AM

Repeal this law. We should demand it. Stay out of our healthcare!

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MrShaman

Nov-21-13 5:56 AM

"The ACA legislation will create a greater dependence upon government and the actual costs to people will become a greater financial burden on most people." - ToTEXASfromPA

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Nope. No specifics, here, either.

How "shocking".

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MrShaman

Nov-21-13 6:00 AM

Keith, considering 47% currently pay nothing in federal taxes and another 12 to 20 million illegals, that probably brings the cost up somewhat." - Capricorn1

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....Until someone considers your "stats" were probably dreamed-up ("somewhat"), on-the-fly.

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MrShaman

Nov-21-13 6:06 AM

Regardless if it's 6.00 or 6000.00 it was a totally mismanaged endeavor by both the contractor that was given preference and the government who oversaw the work. But this can be said about the majority of contracts that government has it's hands in and that paid with by our tax dollars." - Capricorn1

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You're prepping for YOUR "Come to Jesus"-moment...to explain the hu$tles (and, "possible" kick-back$), BETWEEN the government & corporate-America?????

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Capricorn1

Nov-21-13 6:10 AM

"There's no WAY the federal-government would have had access to this software...unless software-development management had signed-OFF on doing-so!!"

WRONG, government liaison monitors the process at every stage and often are located onsite. To think that government and this administration knew nothing of the problems that they were having and that it wasn't fully tested is extremely naive. But of course that's what the administration is feeding you so of course you'll blindly believe everything they say. Going live with this substandard software that wasn't fully tested or secure was strictly political. Obama delaying the rollout because of these problems would have just added to the republican insistence that this legislation is flawed and should be delayed or repealed.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-21-13 6:30 AM

"Obamacare Website Programmers Complained About Unrealistic Deadlines"--MrShaman

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Old news, Oct 22. Just reaffirms that there was a poor design basis, poor execution plan, poor project management, poor legislation, too many change orders. Now it is just a bunch of finger pointing, ducking, lies, point the blame elsewhere, offer solutions without consulting with people to know if it will work, disappointments for the citizens,..........expensive government solutions that smell like a dead fish in the hot sun.

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MrShaman

Nov-21-13 6:37 AM

"Repeal this law. We should demand it. Stay out of our healthcare!" - leaningright

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Yeah..."our healthcare" has worked so "well", to-date!!!

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See:

The Reason Health Care Is So Expensive: Insurance Companies - Businessweek

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RogerMurdock

Nov-21-13 6:44 AM

What good will a Health Savings Account do anyone? Interest rates are at a record low fraction of one per cent? Then factor in the unemployment rate and low wages and you can see that it's a non-starter. However, we can all take comfort that Wall Street is in record making territory nearly every day because of the artificially low interest rates. Once again the middle class takes it on the chin.

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Premier

Nov-21-13 6:44 AM

Perhaps Sham can tell us how well the ACA will fair deep into 2014.......be "specific" now Shammy since you seem to have the pulse of the entire law at your fingertips.

Remember be "specific" and no {]// ? * or @'s. Thank you.

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MrShaman

Nov-21-13 6:45 AM

"Obamacare Website Programmers Complained About Unrealistic Deadlines"--MrShaman

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Old news, Oct 22. Just reaffirms that there was a poor design basis, poor execution plan, poor project management, poor legislation, too many change orders. Now it is just a bunch of finger pointing, ducking, lies, point the blame elsewhere, offer solutions without consulting with people to know if it will work, disappointments for the citizens,..." - ToTEXASfromPA

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...More-COMMONLY-referred-to as "business, as usual".

For the uninitiated...what was DELIVERED, to the government, was nothing-more than a beta-release...OBVIOUSLY!!

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MrShaman

Nov-21-13 6:50 AM

"There's no WAY the federal-government would have had access to this software...unless software-development management had signed-OFF on doing-so!!"

WRONG, government liaison monitors the process at every stage and often are located onsite." - Capricorn1

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"...often...", huh???

How "reassuring".

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eriklatranyi

Nov-21-13 6:53 AM

The Congressional Budget Office has already scored Obamacare as busting its estimates (more lies told to the people) and will add to the deficit.

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Sullivan11

Nov-21-13 7:02 AM

I'm glad Shaman is here. It's fun watching him squirm while trying to defend the indefensible.

I swear.......if ObaMao told the world (using his teleprompter, of course) that the world is flat, Shaman would be citing studies circa 900 AD to prove his savior in the White House can do no wrong.

This peek into the mind of an ObaMao parishioner is both funny and scary.

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Capricorn1

Nov-21-13 7:08 AM

Shaman, can I ask how many major government contracts you have been involved with? Judging by your comments, it's obvious you lack any experience. Have you ever worked directly with government and attended high level status meetings? Have you ever worked with a company that had government representatives onsite during the duration of the contract? Do you actually believe a contract of this magnitude was just handed over without intense government oversight with statuses being delivered directly to the administration? Don't be so gullible.

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Capricorn1

Nov-21-13 7:24 AM

Shaman, Obama's own words regarding government contracts and the effect of "cumbersome" regulations and laws,

“How we purchase technology in the federal government is cumbersome, complicated and outdated,” Obama said Nov. 14 at a press conference, remarks he echoed yesterday.

“You’re going through, you know, 40 pages of specs and this and that and the other and there’s all kinds of law involved,” he said Nov. 14. “And it makes it more difficult -- it’s part of the reason why, chronically, federal IT programs are over budget, behind schedule.”

You want to place all the blame on corporate management when in fact much of the blame can be placed on the government contractual process in general. Educate yourself on the entire process before you point fingers in just one direction.

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rick424

Nov-21-13 7:30 AM

Single payer healthcare. I like that. I am still waiting for other better plans you guys have. Been about a week now and all I hear is whining and name calling...still. Have a nice day everyone. Here is something for you guys to ponder. Taking the dogs to vets this evening, by the way my boys have insurance.

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gavinf56

Nov-21-13 7:48 AM

Taking the dogs to vets this evening, by the way my boys have insurance. - rick424

Paid for by...?

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