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Subsidizing gas industry

November 23, 2013

Once again, citizens of our Commonwealth are going to pay to subsidize the gas industry, instead of the other way round. Thanks to our governor and state legislature....

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pinecr

Nov-25-13 9:14 AM

ToTEXASfromPA....keep selling everyone the gas industry lies...you are so goot at it...go back to TEXAS.

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pinecr

Nov-25-13 9:12 AM

Ritty77 you have no idea what you are talking about. The gas industry is paying severance taxes in many states and happy to do so since they are making billions off of each state. Our Governor is a puppet for the gas industry. I SAY MAKE THEM PAY OR GET OUT OF THE STATE...I FOR ONE WOULD BE SO HAPPY TO SEE THEM LEAVE.

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mikekerstetter

Nov-24-13 4:25 AM

Judgeandjury-"SB 738 is an obvious one. Let's spend tax money to expand infrastructure, shall we? What will that do? It will increase demand for gas."

Yeah, because we all know we're all just sitting at home waiting for the state to fix and build new roads before we travel anywhere. It's so obvious that the state wants to fix the roads only so the gas companies sell more gas.

Yeah, and the Kennedy assassination was a conspiracy of the Mob, Russia and Cuba, Bush was in on the 911 planning, Obama is a foreign citizen, and the Aliens are controlling all of us.

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mikekerstetter

Nov-24-13 4:17 AM

Shulski-"while kids have to walk a mile plus home."

So, what's wrong with that? Most kids could use the exercise. For many it's the only physical activity they will get other than their fingers on a keyboard or game controller.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-23-13 11:02 PM

"Why do half you people ignore the valid points of an educated MD in Vosk?"--Shulski

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Huh!! So what is your point?

What makes him the best qualified to talk on the topic?? He is not talking about the medical field. Most of the people commenting are educated and have learned a lot about the topic being discussed. Or maybe you imply some of the people in the energy business don't know as much about it as the MD?? What makes you qualified to be able to say his comments are valid? Or are you promoting class warfare?

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gavinf56

Nov-23-13 10:15 PM

"Why do half you people ignore the valid points of an educated MD in Vosk?"- shulski

So I guess this also applies to Dr Charles Krauthammer or Dr. Ben Carlson to right? Or are you just the typical left wing jack wagon troll?

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Shulski

Nov-23-13 9:40 PM

Ha ha. You beat on Rendell when he was a DINO (democrat in name only). Rendell privatized half the states' enterprises. Worshipping at the altar of free enterprise. Filling the pockets of business owners at public expense. It's as dumb as privatizing the school buses so a company in Punxatawney can get even richer while kids have to walk a mile plus home.

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Shulski

Nov-23-13 9:37 PM

Why do half you people ignore the valid points of an educated MD in Vosk? Y'all just change the subject and defend people of a higher economic and social status than yourselves. That's Fox News thinking. Working class folks defend the rich whom abuse them. And you'll blissfully pay higher taxes than them. Knee jerk reactions to protect their abusers like a battered wife defends her drunken husband.

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msgjsheets

Nov-23-13 9:00 PM

Perhaps we should apply an economic impact fee on the Susquehanna Health System? What say you Dr. Vosk???

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nobud74

Nov-23-13 7:18 PM

Part of the problem with fuel taxes is that they need to be increased regularly in order to attain the same revenues. At first glance this seems ludicrous, but when you consider the ever greater gas mileage our vehicles are getting you can see that there is less consumption and therefore less revenue. The number of miles will increase, and the number of miles of roads will increase, but the revenues will not keep pace because we are using less per mile. I hate taxes as much as the next person, but I understand this. Now, if the dirtbags in office would keep their grubby mitts off it and let it be used for the intended purpose we might have better infrastructure.

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JerryfromRI

Nov-23-13 7:14 PM

Eric,

This week the House passed the Federal Lands Jobs and Energy Security Act. Our Congressman, Tom Mariono voted for it.

Do agree with the prevision that requires a $5,000 documentation fee to accompany each protest for a lease, right of way, or application for permit to drill?

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nobud74

Nov-23-13 7:14 PM

Enigma, LOVE your last post! HAHAHA!

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pmcflc

Nov-23-13 4:45 PM

Why are so many of these comments delivered with such a mean spirit?! I think people are more inclined to listen to debates when people respect the other person's opinion and don't "fight"dirty. You all have been fighting amongst yourselves for so long you don't even "hear" each other any longer.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-23-13 12:33 PM

DavidBross said;

"The letter certainly raises a interesting point in regards to how things are done in Alaska."

Yes, Alaska is a great example of small, efficient government that leaves its people alone and does not spend on pandering projects as much as most other states.

Yes, they have their share of waste (bridge to nowhere), but are still closer to the ideal.

Lastly, Alaska has very few roads, despite being the largest state.

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JohnZook

Nov-23-13 11:03 AM

Like the Philly Mass Transit system? The first I heard of that was when "Slick" Eddie Rendell was in office. You do understand that the Dems have to take care of their city-folk to continue to get votes. And then there's that "machine" to feed; you know, bundlers, fund raisers, the dead voters, ect. ect.

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enigma

Nov-23-13 11:01 AM

"So, I guess all those subsidies to install solar panels or wind turbines is equally bad, Dr. Vosk?"-Erik

That's completely different! The subsidies for "green energy" are real subsidies paid for with tax dollars, while the so-called subsidies for the gas companies are extra taxes which were not imposed. Oh wait; that would make the green energy subsidies worse, wouldn't it? I get it now, the subsidies to green companies are real and the subsidies for gas companies are imagined and since liberals live in a make-believe world, it's the imagined subsidies that are a problem. OK I think I've got it now.

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underwood

Nov-23-13 10:42 AM

Or is it that the fuel taxes are being used for other things?

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Capricorn1

Nov-23-13 10:30 AM

What we ought to be demanding is an accounting of what present gas taxes are being used for. -Phil

That is the same question I've been asking. How is it we have one of the highest gas taxes in the nation, yet we still have some of the worse roads and bridges? How will throwing billions more at a department make things better if this same department is being financially mismanaged?

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CMReeder

Nov-23-13 10:29 AM

Erik has such a bias for his bosses.

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underwood

Nov-23-13 10:03 AM

That road and bridge construction and repair should be paid for by users of them is so rational that it’s nearly self-evident. A surcharge on vehicle fuel is a quite proper way to accomplish this. What we ought to be demanding is an accounting of what present gas taxes are being used for. My guess is there’s plenty already collected to build and maintain road and bridges if that were what it was used for.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-23-13 10:02 AM

"So, I guess all those subsidies to install solar panels or wind turbines is equally bad, Dr. Vosk?"--eriklatranyi

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Some people like to subsidize General Electric in building wind turbines. Now how much money does GE contribute to election campaigns for politicians?

Also how much money is GE making by selling gas turbines to gas fired powerplants and getting rid of coal fired powerplants.

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DavidBross

Nov-23-13 9:45 AM

The letter certainly raises a interesting point in regards to how things are done in Alaska.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-23-13 9:34 AM

So, I guess all those subsidies to install solar panels or wind turbines is equally bad, Dr. Vosk?

Hypocrite liberal!

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-23-13 9:29 AM

"...But (I'm sure) it's "different"...in the right's eyes...when some NFL-team owner expects locals to build him a stadium." --MrShaman

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Oh but those highly liberal, democrat-based cities have learned the principle of taxation without representation very well. They tax the visitors to the cities by taxing motels, rental cars, taxis, parking, plane tickets, etc. to help pay for the stadiums. And of course, those corporations need to rent the high price luxury suites so their presidents, vice presidents, marketing managers, and business development managers are unwillingly forced to entertain other companies and politicians to enhance and grow their business; you know the part of that cost of doing business in which the costs can be expensed and reduce the tax liabilities so that citizens can help pick up the tab.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-23-13 9:05 AM

Cont>>

The costs of installing distribution systems to homes and industrial customers is very expensive initial investment. The only way UGI can afford to do it is if the costs are amortized out to the end users. In many cases, this can still provide a longterm cheaper option for the customers than using fuel oil or electricity for heating, cooking, hot water, etc. It needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis but if enough critical mass customer base comes together, it can be a win-win for a group of customers.

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