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Subsidizing gas industry

November 23, 2013

Once again, citizens of our Commonwealth are going to pay to subsidize the gas industry, instead of the other way round. Thanks to our governor and state legislature....

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Capricorn1

Nov-23-13 12:29 AM

"Gov. Corbett's bill provides for badly needed infrastructure repairs, but in many places those repairs are necessary because gas industry vehicles use our roads and bridges so heavily they accelerate aging and deterioration. A reasonable tax on natural gas extraction would pay for those repairs."

Why would you believe a severance tax would actually go for repairing these bridges and roads when they are already misusing Act 13 money? Regardless how you hand money to government, it will never get spent on it's intended purpose. The establishment of gambling in PA should have taught us that.

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Ritty77

Nov-23-13 1:22 AM

"High taxes like this drive business out of the state and contribute to unemployment."

"like this" You mean, ones that affect you. Raising taxes on "the rich" or just billing the grand-kids to fix "our crumbling infrastructure" is just fine for business and unemployment, right?

"The emperors of the energy industry, already incredibly rich, keep getting richer."

Slobber and drool with envy.

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fromtheport

Nov-23-13 1:43 AM

Windmills are subsidized where is your letter talking about windmills, farmers are subsidized where is you letter on farmer. The population of alaska is 0.7mil while pa has a pop of 12.7 so it is easier to pay all the state taxes with small pop and smaller infrastructure, wyoming does the same thing. This letter is stupid. The gas industry is providing a lot of money already, on an almost daily basis something in the news is using act13 money. Lets just not get dependant on it.

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mikekerstetter

Nov-23-13 4:23 AM

Our roads and bridges have been allowed to crumble for decades but now it's the gas industries fault? I don' think so. I thought the impact fees were already to be going to fix up roads damaged by gas company vehicles? Guess I was wrong.

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Don521

Nov-23-13 5:39 AM

So, this added gasoline tax will not get spent on the roads and bridges either?

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eriklatranyi

Nov-23-13 5:45 AM

Once again, we find Dr. Vosk spreading lies.

But, he is a liberal, like President Obama, who also lies.

There is no subsidy.

To say the gas industry gets a subsidy is a deliberate deception.

It would be no different than to say Dr. Vosk's large salary is subsidized because the emergency room he works in gets tax breaks.

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MrShaman

Nov-23-13 6:22 AM

How amusing.

T-Baggers (nationally) USED to praise Big Business/Wall Street, for being "job-creators"...until, more-RECENTLY, they've accused the President of being "in bed" with Big Business/ Wall Street.

I guess it's anyone's guess...when the 'Baggers will start trashing the natural-gas industry...and, the natural-gas industry being "in bed with Obama".

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MrShaman

Nov-23-13 6:28 AM

"Once again, we find Dr. Vosk spreading lies.

But, he is a liberal, like President Obama, who also lies.

There is no subsidy.

To say the gas industry gets a subsidy is a deliberate deception." - eriklatranyi

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Lemme guess...you "forgot" to check-out the "top" of the news...right???

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S-G: News

Price, Future Of Gas Industry Topics Of Forum

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Premier

Nov-23-13 6:54 AM

Someone out there please try to find out where our gas tax and vehicle fees currently go! I've searched and can't come up with anything.

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Judgeandjury

Nov-23-13 7:20 AM

ErikLatranyi, you are the liar here. The gas industry is subsidized in so many ways it would be impossible to list them all in ten thousand characters. And you know it. If you don't, then you are simply incompetent. SB 738 is an obvious one. Let's spend tax money to expand infrastructure, shall we? What will that do? It will increase demand for gas. Are you telling me that state funds used to increase demand for a commodity is not a subsidy to that industry? And what will be the result of this expansion? Higher prices for the consumers. Who wins? The NG Industry. You are a shill for the NG Industry and nothing you say is the truth let alone relevant.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-23-13 7:29 AM

When are some of these LTE writers going to realize that natural gas drilling and production is as different from selling a refined liquid product at the gas station pump as the water well business is from treating and discharge of sewage effluent?

Natural gas is a gaseous mixture of methane, ethane, propane, nitrogen, etc. That needs a pressurized container to hold it while gasoline is a liquid composed of a hundred components from pentane, octane, dodecane, toluene, cyclohexane, etc that can be storage and transported at atmospheric conditions.

To say you want to add another tax to a natural resource like natural gas would also equally apply to other natural resources like water, timber, rock, copper, alumina, salt, iron ore, limestone and even air.

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Judgeandjury

Nov-23-13 7:31 AM

Fromtheport, are you serious? Are you comparing farming and windmills to the current state of the gas industry in this area? Wow, something is "stupid" here, but it is not the original letter. You could benefit from learning a little, like how much the industry made per year compared to how much they paid in impact fees in a year. Even you may be surprised at the inequality of the numbers. But probably not. You probably wouldn't even understand.

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CMReeder

Nov-23-13 7:40 AM

Once again the right thinks it is okay to subsidize an industry that is very successful.

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Capricorn1

Nov-23-13 7:46 AM

Let's spend tax money to expand infrastructure, shall we? What will that do? It will increase demand for gas. Are you telling me that state funds used to increase demand for a commodity is not a subsidy to that industry? -Judgeandjury

I might be mistaken, but I would be willing to bet that there are a lot of people out there that are wishing that the infrastructure would be expanded to allow them to take advantage of the much cheaper natural gas to heat their homes. Either we take advantage of this commodity and wean ourselves off foreign oil or we go on "subsidizing" the Middle East and continue to make oil a matter of national security.

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gavinf56

Nov-23-13 7:49 AM

So now a subsidy to the gas industry is by not taxing them more?

Drink!

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eriklatranyi

Nov-23-13 7:57 AM

JudgeandJury:

Expanding infrastructure is something gov't has done since the beginning of time.

I guess you opposed rural electrification because it benefitted those monopoly power companies?

As Cap pointed out, expanding infrastructure so more residents can have cheap energy is a clear benefit to everyone.

But, you want your liberal masters to pick who wins (like corrupt solar) and who loses (like coal).

I hope you like being a slave to liberal liars, like President Obama.

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mikekerstetter

Nov-23-13 7:59 AM

Don521-"So, this added gasoline tax will not get spent on the roads and bridges either?"

At least not all of it. There are provisions in it to fund mass transit for those places that have it. Still don't know why they are taking my registration fees and gas taxes and using them to pay for public transportation rather than fixing the roads.

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nalc50

Nov-23-13 8:38 AM

Does everyone forget about the tolling of Interstate 80? We objected to that you didn't think we would be paying some how to pay for the roads. Pay me now or pay me later. If we would have gone with a tax on the natural gas companies Lycoming county would never have seen the $100,000.00s tha we have seen. The tax Mr Maribito wants would have send most of that money to Philadelhia. We at least get a better share from the Act 13 money.

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MrShaman

Nov-23-13 8:43 AM

"Once again the right thinks it is okay to subsidize an industry that is very successful." - CMReeder

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...But (I'm sure) it's "different"...in the right's eyes...when some NFL-team owner expects locals to build him a stadium.

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gavinf56

Nov-23-13 8:49 AM

"...But (I'm sure) it's "different"...in the right's eyes...when some NFL-team owner expects locals to build him a stadium." - MrShaman

Eehhh, wrong again Skippy.

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MrShaman

Nov-23-13 8:54 AM

"I might be mistaken, but I would be willing to bet that there are a lot of people out there that are wishing that the infrastructure would be expanded to allow them to take advantage of the much cheaper natural gas to heat their homes." - Capricorn1

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How 'bout we (instead) agree to enhance/rebuild our infrastructure, to benefit ALL commerce/transportation-needs??

Example: Look at how long it USED to take...to get from the Woodward-area, to Montoursville...or, Muncy/Hughsville, for that matter.

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enigma

Nov-23-13 8:54 AM

"High taxes like this drive business out of the state and contribute to unemployment."-Dr.Vosk

Oops, that's not what liberals are supposed to say. Poor Arno slipped up and told the truth, high taxes chase business away. How many times do we hear liberals including Vosk tell us that we should raise taxes on corporations or 'the rich'? They tell us that would not hurt the economy or even that it would be good for the economy, but as Dr. Vosk pointed out here, high taxes are bad for the economy. That said, I agree that we could and should tax the gas companies for what they are taking, but at the same time we cannot become too dependent on that money (like Alaska) because someday it will run out. Good luck finding a group of politicians who can manage that.

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hopeforfuture

Nov-23-13 8:54 AM

Tolling of Interstate 80 was one of the best ideas I heard in a long time yet some selfish penny pinchers were against this idea. Look at what your protests have brought us.

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MrShaman

Nov-23-13 8:59 AM

"...But (I'm sure) it's "different"...in the right's eyes...when some NFL-team owner expects locals to build him a stadium." - MrShaman

Eehhh, wrong again Skippy." - gavinf56

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You (actually) think we should subsidize NFL-owners' pursuits, as WELL??!!!

Amazing.....

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gavinf56

Nov-23-13 9:01 AM

Raising fuel taxes makes it a use tax as long as the monies collected actually go to road/bridge repair. Fair enough.

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