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Thank you, President Obama

November 26, 2013

Finally under Obamacare your leadership has reduced this country into two classes. These classes are those who belong to the card carrying Obamacare and those who do not....

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rmiller

Dec-01-13 11:24 PM

"Sorry. I don't have a whole-lotta-patience for voluntarily-ignorant people....who prefer beliefs, over (actual) knowledge."

Well, then.....here's knowledge and not a belief. There are only two options for each of us. Heaven or h e l l. Since you can't know that neither exist, then you are left with only a belief.

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spike2

Nov-30-13 7:34 AM

Bobbie, you started with a good explanation of why you feel the inappropriate name is justified. Your second comment is not particularly insightful. How does sexual orientation effect intellect, with specificity, please. Could you cite some legitimate research? Second are you saying an extremely gifted 14 year-old could not have an expansive knowledge base?

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Capricorn1

Nov-29-13 7:39 AM

Fair, enough. We're not (exactly) talking about something that's never been attempted. -Shaman

True, I haven't done the research but I would be curious to see how nations with universal healthcare compare to the U.S. with regards to their national debt and the percentage of their citizens that rely on government assistance. And when they started their program, what was the shape of their economy, employment and debt. I just don't know if we are healthy enough to tackle universal healthcare at this time. No pun intended.

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BornHere

Nov-29-13 7:36 AM

spike, the fault lies upon the Sun for not doing anything about it. I comment in 2 other papers and if you even call someone a moron your removed.

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spike2

Nov-29-13 7:11 AM

Would someone else read Bobbie's posts without all the others. Bobbie uses self-licker continuously in naming another. Bobbie references "gay" as a derogatory descriptor. Bobbie references "blue dress". Little content, continued references and descriptions that are "exual" in nature. Who has a problem? Commenting is interesting for those who put a modicum of thought into their post.

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MrShaman

Nov-29-13 6:39 AM

"Sham/JH, Several try to engage you with a civil discussion and you can't resist the urge to satisfy your insatiable appetite to slur and denigrate people. Your posts are either full of sarcasm and or other perspectives that align with your distortion of truth and reality." - rmiller

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Sorry. I don't have a whole-lotta-patience for voluntarily-ignorant people....who prefer beliefs, over (actual) knowledge.

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MrShaman

Nov-29-13 6:34 AM

you WOULD be expected to defend your position, rather-than rushing for the safety o' your (preferred) herd.-MrShaman

Very true, but this would require ONE to stand on your own two feet, not to mention it would seriously cut down on the number of posters in this area.-Scott

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Nope...that doesn't make any more sense, either.

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MrShaman

Nov-29-13 6:26 AM

If precedent (somehow) DOESN'T qualify as an end-result (in your opinion), I'd have to assume you HAVE no interest in a nationwide program...correct??? -Shaman

Like I said, if they are able to develop a program that is sustainable, maintains quality care, is affordable and fair to everyone and doesn't sink this nation into further debt, I am all for it. This country deserves nothing less." - Capricorn1

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Fair, enough. We're not (exactly) talking about something that's never been attempted.

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See:

Kiefer Sutherland's Grandfather Remembered For Bringing Universal Healthcare System To Canada 1 of 2 [YouTube]

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rmiller

Nov-28-13 11:17 PM

Sham/JH, Several try to engage you with a civil discussion and you can't resist the urge to satisfy your insatiable appetite to slur and denigrate people. Your posts are either full of sarcasm and or other perspectives that align with your distortion of truth and reality. You've cornered the market on repetitive posts.

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gavinf56

Nov-28-13 8:35 PM

There wouldn't be but about 2 or 3 posters left.

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Scott36

Nov-28-13 11:56 AM

correction--"require you" should read "require one"-Scott

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Scott36

Nov-28-13 11:54 AM

you WOULD be expected to defend your position, rather-than rushing for the safety o' your (preferred) herd.-MrShaman

Very true, but this would require you to stand on your own two feet, not to mention it would seriously cut down on the number of posters in this area.-Scott

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Scott36

Nov-28-13 11:50 AM

I'm sure he, Chuck, scott36 & FortySix will have a lot to commiserate about-GoBB62

I cannot speak for the rest of the people with which you have chosen to group me with, but I am quite grateful, & happy. Those who happen to know me personally describe me as an optimistic person. It does not take a lot to make me feel content. This being said, it appears to me that what makes most of the "conservatives"(which seems to be the lions share of the pop.) in this area the most joyful is spewing hatred. To the great fortune of the country, this miniscule area does not represent what is acceptable to most. To all, HAPPY THANKSGIVING-- Be Happy & Safe!!!-Scott

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cheyenne

Nov-28-13 9:10 AM

"and "knowing" what others are thinking...they can ALSO "channel" people's dreams??"- Shaman.

Not really too difficult a task when dealing with typical, garden-variety, extreme-left whiners. Happy Thanksgiving!

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Capricorn1

Nov-28-13 8:19 AM

If precedent (somehow) DOESN'T qualify as an end-result (in your opinion), I'd have to assume you HAVE no interest in a nationwide program...correct??? -Shaman

That's not true. What I am saying is using the state of Vermont as precedence for a nation of 300 million would not be wise. Yes, you could use lessons learned from their program, but to center a national program after a state the size of Vermont that doesn't have the obstacles on the scale that the country as a whole does, would be unwise. Like I said, if they are able to develop a program that is sustainable, maintains quality care, is affordable and fair to everyone and doesn't sink this nation into further debt, I am all for it. This country deserves nothing less. But IMO we currently have too much debt and too many people relying on government and unable to contribute to make it work at this time without putting even more burden on the middle class and our debt.

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MrShaman

Nov-28-13 7:14 AM

"Sham's diarrhea-of-the-mouth is getting worse!" - USABorn

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In other words (I'm assuming), you disagree...but, about WHAT???

You "conservatives" need to understand the concept of "details"; i.e. those "inconvenient" little items that are (typically) referenced when formulating an individual's opinion.

Thinking-things-thru WOULD require some effort, but...it's relatively-painless, and...yes, you WOULD be expected to defend your position, rather-than rushing for the safety o' your (preferred) herd.

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MrShaman

Nov-28-13 7:03 AM

I don't know. I think I'd rather experiment with a smaller/more-manageable system, rather than going BIG (immediately)...and, compounding whatever mistakes/issues (where fixes are needed)...not-to-mention dealing with all those folks who'll start "WE TOLD YOU SO!! WE KNEW IT WOULDN'T WORK!!" -Shaman

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I would agree with that. As long as they don't rely on the success or failure to model a nationwide program." - Capricorn1

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If precedent (somehow) DOESN'T qualify as an end-result (in your opinion), I'd have to assume you HAVE no interest in a nationwide program...correct???

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GoBB62

Nov-28-13 5:50 AM

Sham's diarrhea-of-the-mouth is getting worse! Poor dear.....Thanksgiving dinner will taste terrible. Or not. Maybe he has nothing to be thankful for. He is such a bitter person, I can't imagine anyone wanting him around. - USABorn

I'm sure he, Chuck, scott36 & FortySix will have a lot to commiserate about.

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USABorn

Nov-28-13 2:39 AM

Sham's diarrhea-of-the-mouth is getting worse! Poor dear.....Thankgiving dinner will taste terrible. Or not. Maybe he has nothing to be thankful for. He is such a bitter person, I can't imagine anyone wanting him around.

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Ritty77

Nov-27-13 6:50 PM

"punk"

You wish, leech.

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Capricorn1

Nov-27-13 6:15 PM

I don't know. I think I'd rather experiment with a smaller/more-manageable system, rather than going BIG (immediately)...and, compounding whatever mistakes/issues (where fixes are needed)...not-to-mention dealing with all those folks who'll start "WE TOLD YOU SO!! WE KNEW IT WOULDN'T WORK!!" -Shaman

I would agree with that. As long as they don't rely on the success or failure to model a nationwide program. But the could use lessons learned as you suggest. Like I said, I have no problem with going in that direction if quality of care doesn't suffer and the program is sustainable and fair for everyone.

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Scott36

Nov-27-13 5:57 PM

Hey "Scott," sit down and shut up.-ritty77

punk

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MrShaman

Nov-27-13 4:35 PM

Shaman, Vermont is a very poor test platform to use as a guideline for universal healthcare. It's the second least populated state in the nation. Maybe if it was California or Texas it would be a better indicator but comparing how healthcare would work for a nation of 300 million by how it worked in Vermont would be very misleading." - Capricorn1

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I don't know. I think I'd rather experiment with a smaller/more-manageable system, rather than going BIG (immediately)...and, compounding whatever mistakes/issues (where fixes are needed)...not-to-mention dealing with all those folks who'll start "WE TOLD YOU SO!! WE KNEW IT WOULDN'T WORK!!"

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MrShaman

Nov-27-13 4:17 PM

"Gee....you must have a scrapbook FULL o' Gold Stars....for your debating-"skills".- Sham.

Sham is feeling cheated. His favorite, "That's what Porky Limbaugh says", merits only Silver Stars. Don't fret too much, Sham. Perhaps someday, your dream of guaranteed equal outcomes will be fulfilled." - cheyenne

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Aw, jeez...BESIDES "conservatives"' abilities to "see" (into the future), and "knowing" what others are thinking...they can ALSO "channel" people's dreams??

I'm starting to suspect none (of these) are true.

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MrShaman

Nov-27-13 4:10 PM

"But I think in order to put a system like that in place we are going to have to start with a healthier outlook on our debt and reduce the millions that already depend on government. The only way to do that is massive reforms and thinking outside the box..." - Capricorn1

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...Like NOT jumping-into another War...simply because some Republican President is desperate for a legacy.

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