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Fate of species threatened

November 27, 2013

If you did not know, our Pennsylvania Endangered Species Act has been placed on a guillotine and is close to getting chopped and dismembered. House Bill 1576 passed November 14....

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rick424

Nov-27-13 1:39 AM

That is the republicans for you, money first anything else, let the future generations worry about it. This is sad.

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sideliner

Nov-27-13 5:53 AM

O and G I presume is Oil and Gas industries? Why does that not surprise me??

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sideliner

Nov-27-13 6:02 AM

As an after thought, what surprises me even less is that Republicans are helping the push the oil and gas industry agenda regardless of the environmental impact.

Rick, you make a valid point. Money first. Anything else just doesn't matter...

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eriklatranyi

Nov-27-13 7:08 AM

Just one less tool that liberals will have to harass American companies offering high paying jobs in our area.

Liberals use these so-called endangered species laws to block things the don't like.

They use deception by designating that these are Loyalsock Whitetail Deer, not just ordinary whitetail deer.

So, liberals use such chicanery to further their anti domestic hydrocarbon energy agenda.

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BornHere

Nov-27-13 7:33 AM

Only when the last tree has died and the last river poisoned and the last fish caught we will realize we cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

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eriklatranyi

Nov-27-13 7:59 AM

The hysteria posted here is in conflict with reality.

our forests are stronger and more lush, our water has never been cleaner, yet some still profess doom and gloom.

Not one of you are conservationists.....you are preservationists, and your ideas cause more harm to nature than anything stemming from its conserving use.

You do not believe that there is any form of responsible use possible. Your only solution is to fence off nature from the touch of mankind forever.

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Capricorn1

Nov-27-13 8:23 AM

That is the republicans for you, money first anything else, let the future generations worry about it. This is sad. -Rick

The same can be said about the nation's 17 trillion debt and uncontrolled spending. Or social programs that are unsustainable. No one seems concerned about leaving that mess to our future generations. I'm all for protecting wildlife, but let's show the same concern for our children and grandchildren.

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enigma

Nov-27-13 8:52 AM

"Why take this from trained biologists and scientists and give it to untrained bureaucrats?"

The decisions were already being made by bureaucrats. The people in these agencies are not scientists, they are bureaucrats. With this these bureaucrats are being checked by federal bureaucrats. Why would liberals who worship the federal government object to this? For that matter why do they object to species becoming extinct? Isn't that part of the Darwinian order of things? I just don't get the continuous contradictions in liberal thought. Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of caring for all that God has given us, but He did give it to us to use. We shouldn't abuse it, but we shouldn't put it off limits either, and that's what has been happening more and more with these agencies. They're out of control and this legislation is designed to rein them in. It may not be the best way, but it does put some limits on them.

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underwood

Nov-27-13 9:18 AM

Caring about our environment is one thing, using the environment as a political tool to push an agenda is what we see with leftist environmentalist organizations.

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rick424

Nov-27-13 9:20 AM

"Just one less tool that liberals will have to harass American companies offering high paying jobs in our area."

Kind of sums everything up here. No need to go on.

Have a great holiday everyone.

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TheMoe

Nov-27-13 10:17 AM

What do any of you care anyway. You don't see them, you don't think about them, they are not involved in your daily lives. So, if they disappear, what do you care. Now go back to sleep.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-27-13 11:29 AM

Phil is correct.

Rather than using these laws to protect truly endangered species, liberals have twisted it to suit their political agenda against businesses or people they do not like.

Thanks, liberals!

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MisMac

Nov-27-13 11:51 AM

Erik, I just can't ignore your arrogance. I have tried, but must entertain your jabs. The only ones twisting anything is the Oil and Gas Industry. Twisting the arms of our legislative body to gut the evironment review process and hand over our lands to them lock, stock and barrel. The utter destruction they have already committed, pales in comparison to what they intend to do, once they make ALL the rules.

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Ritty77

Nov-27-13 2:32 PM

Phil and Erik make excellent points, as usual. The statists always go too far. Nothing is clean enough or green enough.

People are too rich and there are too many poor. Taxes are too low but only half the people pay them. Economic justice, social justice, they are "the caring kind." Such delusion requires constant reassurance.

Your entire Thanksgiving Day experience is made possible through the recovery, processing, and distribution of fossil fuels. Relax. Enjoy. The environment is safe.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-27-13 4:42 PM

MisMac:

Your lack of substance in your post is the status quo for liberals.....make an allegation of environmental abuse against an industry, but offer no evidence to support it.

It is too bad that you frightened liberals cannot produce one example of a problem with the gas industry.....just like you can't show one example of success with Obamacare.

Liberalism fails while capitalism is BOSS!

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rick424

Nov-27-13 4:44 PM

Minamata, Japan; Love Canal, NY; Bhopal, India; La Oroya, Peru; Dzerzhinsk, Russia; Kabwe, Zambia; Picher, Oklahoma; Murray, Utah; Woburn, Massachusetts. Keep living in your little dream world Ritty. Big business will take care of everything. Republicans are giving the green light dot disaster. But no worries. Tax payers will fix it later, long after the money was made. Cheers

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eriklatranyi

Nov-27-13 5:23 PM

Rick:

Living in the past again?

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eriklatranyi

Nov-27-13 5:24 PM

Hey, Rick:

Do you have an example in Pennsylvania or are you just shooting blanks?

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Ritty77

Nov-27-13 5:32 PM

Rick, I appreciate the industries that invest time, money, and blood to provide products for me to purchase to make my life pretty darn easy. You want to flip the switch and condemn those who provide it. Worse yet, they make a profit, and because you don't have the stones or skills to be rich yourself, they must be demonized.

Rick, you have zero critical thinking skills and a big mouth — a bad combination, but quite typical from your side of the aisle.

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rick424

Nov-27-13 6:02 PM

Funny Ritty, I think the same of you. But I won't express it in your tone. About those places I listed, and there are many, many more. Any comments? Are you going to deny that big business, left on it's own, will think profits over anything. I know they will. That is why we need a strong EPA and not state controll. There are stories out there of state government selling it's citizens down the road. Like Texas, Oklahoma and Wisconsin. Funny how they are republican control states. PA is next, but hey who cares as long as we make the money.

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rick424

Nov-27-13 6:07 PM

Eric there is a superfund site near lock haven. In fact go to the superfund site for Pennsylvania I didn't even know there were that many. One right here in Williamsport.

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rick424

Nov-27-13 6:11 PM

By the way Ritty, I am very rich. Maybe not in money (although I am very comfortable) but in many other things like family and just life in general. There seem to be many unhappy people on here. Perhaps the are wealthy.

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Ritty77

Nov-27-13 6:43 PM

Rick, you called NRA members "terrorists," and your first post on this thread is another one of your typical Chuck-like, over-generalizing, accusatory baloney, so you can can the innocent victim crap.

You list the problems while ignoring all the things and lives that benefit. One analogy you might understand is listing all the plane crashes, then list all the successful flights.

Enjoy your turkey.

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rick424

Nov-27-13 6:55 PM

Yes there are many. Too many to list. But the argument is the safety of manufacturing, the protection of the earth we live on. If there were not regulations things would be far worse. It just puzzles me why the right insists on deregulating and want to self regulate.

Ritty, you also enjoy and have a safe thanksgiving.

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Premier

Nov-28-13 5:45 AM

So what's your answer Rick? From the examples you've given it seems the only recourse is to shut down and shutter every business on the face of the planet.

That way no one will have to work, just sit back and collect a government check...but wait...where would the money come from?

Wait a minute.......what would you spend the money on? There would be no food, no utilities, no stores, no hospitals,{gasp} no cell phones, and no government assistance, NOTHING!

If all those conveniences at your fingertips were to disappear you'd be singing a different tune in a heartbeat.

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