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Wanting to escape

November 29, 2013

There seems to be great interest today for life on another planet, buying tickets to Mars....

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-02-13 7:38 PM

BornHere,

"For a second day, Mr. Obama sought to explain his remarks at a recent San Francisco fund-raiser that small-town Pennsylvania voters, bitter over their economic circumstances, “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them” as a way to explain their frustrations."

This seems worse than Cruz's comments.

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BornHere

Dec-01-13 8:33 AM

But Obama did not say "it is really great to be back in America".

Can you imagine the reaction from people if Obama was giving a speech in Chicago or Philly or even Newark and said, "having spent the past month in D.C., it is really great to be back in America", people would be going "nuts" over what he said.

All States in the US are part of America not just "Texas", and D.C. is the capital of America, so Cruz's little slip of the tongue has not gone unnoticed.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Nov-30-13 9:51 PM

"What Ted Cruz did say was, "Having spent the past month up in D.C., it is really great to be back in America".

Now my question is was he implying that D.C. is not part of American or was he implying that the people in D.C. are not Americans?"--BornHere

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President Obama has made similar comments as Cruz. For instance.....“It is good to be out of Washington,” he often says — a line that, in good times and in bad, always generates warm, sympathetic applause."

I would venture that it is a way of appealing to the voters.

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farmer

Nov-30-13 8:31 PM

What the h… are you people talking about? What in Gods name does being a Liberal or being a Conservative have to do with this letter? I just can't follow, are Liberals tired of mass killings or are Conservatives, or are neither? You people can't say it's "raining out side" with out calling each other childish names. If you want politicians to act responsibly try it yourselves, maybe they will take notice.

By the way, man has always dreamt of going to other planets, only today it's closer to reality. That and some uber rich just can't find ways to spend their money fast enough.

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DavidBross

Nov-30-13 9:59 AM

I have to say that Chris Matthews, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi, are not people I look to for guidance. I am still waiting for folks, in both parties, who have the ability to control the factions of their parties that view looking for common ground as a sign of weakness and bordering on some kind of political infidelity.

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BornHere

Nov-30-13 9:25 AM

What Ted Cruz did say was, "Having spent the past month up in D.C., it is really great to be back in America".

Now my question is was he implying that D.C. is not part of American or was he implying that the people in D.C. are not Americans?

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eriklatranyi

Nov-30-13 8:38 AM

Spike:

The Republicans plan, Obama says, boils down to this: 'Dirtier air, dirtier water, less people with health insurance.'

None of which is true.

Harry Reid said: "“As I said on the floor today, the anarchists are winning."

Of course, nobody called for anarchy.

Chris Matthews paraphrasing Sen Ted Cruz: "This “We're Americans, we white people out here in Texas, as opposed to people who live in the big cities: the ethnics, the blacks, the browns."

None of which Cruz ever said.

These are just a few examples of DELIBERATE lies created by liberals.

These are not accidents or slips if the tongue. These are planned, crafted lies.

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spike2

Nov-30-13 7:25 AM

Erik, when you say Liberals try to paint.....", name a few. This would add interest and credibility to your posts. Bobbie, a few phrases come to mind. "No fool like and old fool" and "BS baffles brains".

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nobud74

Nov-29-13 9:49 PM

You've (quite) obviously forgotten-about those ReRon Reagan fans.

“Government is not the solution to our problem; government IS the problem.” --Shammy.

Yes, an ever expanding government that inserts itself more and more of our lives is the problem. Those of us who believe this are not anarchists. We simply want a smaller, more efficient government that is responsive and responsible. We want a federal government that stays out of our bedrooms, doctor's offices and schools. We want more local rule, more state rule. We want the federal government eliminated in all matters that are best handled by the states and to that end, we want the federal government to stop taking so much tax money and allow the local and state governments to tax according to what the people in those regions want. Seems pretty simple.

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DavidBross

Nov-29-13 8:06 PM

BornHere: Thank you so much. What you said means more to me than someone agreeing with an opinion I have on a political or social issue.

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BornHere

Nov-29-13 5:41 PM

Mr. Bross, I would like to thank you for being a gentleman and handling the comments on here in a sincere way, you sir have my respect.

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DavidBross

Nov-29-13 4:06 PM

Erik, you don't have to change your beliefs. There are just ways of saying things that make it easier for others to consider what you are saying. For example, there are many times I would like to start a post on this forum with the phrase, "Once again I see it is my fate in life to meet each of the dumbest people on the planet." Or, another favorite, "Once again "Fred" has proved that growing older is not the same as growing up." But, they are only good for venting, not for promoting a discussion. Also, using the same verbal tactics used by those with whom you disagree, only makes you like them. Rise above it. State your case clearly and in a civil fashion. It doesn't make you any less an ardent supporter for your particular points of view.

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DavidBross

Nov-29-13 3:55 PM

"Why go to Mars? Why did the pilgrims come to America? FREEDOM" True. But it is important to remember that the freedom the pilgrims sought did not concern itself with how the exercise of that freedom affected others. Both those already living here and those who came later but with different points of view.

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mikekerstetter

Nov-29-13 11:48 AM

MrShaman-"Nor do you offer any references to support your positions...quite possibly, because they don't exist...which brings us (right) back to you making things up."

That's akin to you trying to make everything about race, ain't it Skippy?

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hopeforfuture

Nov-29-13 11:11 AM

Why go to Mars? Why did the pilgrims come to America? FREEDOM

But I think that on Mars there would be to much Big Brother watching and giving to those who were thought to be better. Better to find a planet that is much like Earth and then cut all ties to this planet before we blow it up. At least the human race would be preserved. We could start over.

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MrShaman

Nov-29-13 10:41 AM

Shaman:

Search "Mass shooters and liberalism" for your proof.

Multiple sources, all linked to mainstream media reports." - eriklatranyi

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You (simply) "forgot" to post one o' them...right??

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MrShaman

Nov-29-13 10:38 AM

"Who are these anarchists who want to eliminate the Federal Government? This guy is just another Kool-Aid drinking moron who believes his liberal masters, no matter what kind of idiotic drivel they're pouring. There is no one in this country advocating eliminating the government." - enigma

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You've (quite) obviously forgotten-about those ReRon Reagan fans.

“Government is not the solution to our problem; government IS the problem.”

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MrShaman

Nov-29-13 10:30 AM

DavidBross:

Playing nice does not win you anything when the other side says you hate women, minorities and don't care if water is polluted.

playing nice with liberal liars has not won the GOP and points in dealing with President Obama, repeat liar.

If I really wanted to stoop to their level, I would make things up, but I do not." - eriklatranyi

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Nor do you offer any references to support your positions...quite possibly, because they don't exist...which brings us (right) back to you making things up.

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MrShaman

Nov-29-13 10:23 AM

"I grow weary of playing nice with scum." Erik, another person who used to post on this forum, CHayes, said the same thing about those on the right. Others followed that path at times from the left and the right. If you want to feel good about presenting the truth as you see it, then you are succeeding. If you want to get people to consider a different point of few, which is a far more difficult thing, then you are failing. Remember, if someone doesn't accept the message you, or anyone else is sending, the problem may lie with the sender as much as the receiver." - DavidBross

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...Especially a "sender" who offers no references, to support his allegation.

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MrShaman

Nov-29-13 10:20 AM

Whoops... I cannot explain the double post." - ArtFold

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Not a prob. It happens on busy days.

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MrShaman

Nov-29-13 10:18 AM

Spike:

Mr. Ebner, the author of this LTE, is another liberal liar, saying we want snarchy.

It is no different than Mr. Reeder saying we want to dismantle the social safety net or Shaman calling us racists

These are all liars and do not deserve to be treated as anything other than the scummy, sleazy liars they are." - eriklatranyi

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I'm guessing you were made to sit at the "kids' table", yesterday.

Calm, down. There's always a chance you'll get an "upgrade", next year...or, the one, after.

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MrShaman

Nov-29-13 10:13 AM

Spike:

I would agree that the real problem is mental health as most of these shooters were very disturbed people.

Unfortunately, it is liberals who would not be so kind to conservatives if one or these mentally unstable people were listeners to Limbaugh or followers of Palin;

Liberals tried to paint every mass shooter as a Tea Party member before the facts came in." - eriklatranyi

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Poooooor, Rikki. Does "someone" need a Pity Party?????

We had the same types o' nut-jobs (running-loose) looooooooooong before the Tea Party reared it's head. You've (already) forgotten about all the cowards who'd bombed family-planning clinics...and, the others...who'd preferred the sharpshooter-option...when murdering doctors.

There were PLENTY of these instances, before Obama was elected President!!!!

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MrShaman

Nov-29-13 10:02 AM

Spike, I have to agree with regards to our MH System and the stigma that is placed on these illnesses. The same can be said with drug addiction and the need for addicts to have mental health treatment. Until we place more resources and emphasis on mental health and rehabilitation, these problems will only persist." - Capricorn1

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...And, who knows...we might, ONE DAY, finally jettison The Death Penalty, for the same reasons.

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MrShaman

Nov-29-13 9:57 AM

"Personally Mr. Ebner I think we could tackle the problems that we face if we learn to work together." - Capricorn1

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I think MOST people recognize that....until "libertarians" appeal to those folks' tendencies towards laziness.

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eriklatranyi

Nov-29-13 9:51 AM

Shaman:

Search "Mass shooters and liberalism" for your proof.

Multiple sources, all linked to mainstream media reports.

But I am not surprised you would deny the facts....that what liberals do to cloud the argument and distract the discussion.

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