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Not all renters are criminals

December 4, 2013

I am writing in response to Gretchen Kennedy's letter regarding crime and renters. Contrary to her belief, not all renters, myself included, are criminals....

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-05-13 7:03 PM

"Not one piece of your diatribe included facts, stats, or even references. Attribution given to emotional opinion. Heresay by your local friends and assumptions in an op/ed piece is not evidence to indict Bloom as the mastermind or even a participant."--Radioactive

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Frankly, I don't really care a whole lot about the issue; I have't lost any sleep yet nor feel emotional distraught. Diatribe???, please don't project your own feelings into what I have written or referenced. You are correct that none of the information that I provided would be admissible evidence in a court of law. If that were the level of care that was required to post on these LTE's, then there would be considerably less of them written.

At least Spike2 presented some information that much of the influx happened during other administrations but as it stands with newspaper articles and many opinions, it seems like Bloom will not wash herself of this label.

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spike2

Dec-05-13 8:30 AM

Here is some help with your timelines. "Stephen J. Lucasi, 1980–88 Jessica L. Bloom, 1988-1992 - First female mayor. Mayor Bloom is a former member of City Council. Currently chairwoman of Lycoming County Democratic Party. Phillip E. Preziosi, 1992-1996 - Former member of City Police Department. Second officer to win mayor's office. Steven W. Cappelli, 1996-2000 - Resigned to become State Representative from 83rd legislative district, 2001–2009". Mayors were from both parties. Nice research Texas!

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Steelman

Dec-05-13 8:22 AM

I think Williamsport is very welcoming to outsiders. If they did not bring in the outsiders, where would they find people to push the blame? Pointing fingers does not solve anything. Regardless of the title of the letters, the comments eventually go back into the same rut. So to continue this tradition Bush did it, Bloom did it Teabaggers, Democrats, Republics, Liberals, The Rich, 1980’s, You Tube, Landlords, Tenants, did I miss any?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-04-13 11:02 PM

Google "Town Troubled by Image as Drug Rehabilitation Haven : Treatment: Officials say influx of black inner-city addicts is spoiling Williamsport's homey flavor." August 09, 1992 DAVID TREADWELL, LA TIMES STAFF WRITER

"The issue has become so explosive that voters last fall dumped a mayor they viewed as sympathetic to the influx people. Jessie Bloom, who was ousted from office in November after serving one term, said her opponents were concerned about more than the mere number of newcomers. "The bottom line is it's a racist issue," she says."

"But critics contend that, far from simply trying to discourage potential misfits and mischief-makers from moving to Williamsport, the mayor and his City Hall allies are plotting ways to drastically curtail social services and raise other barriers so that no inner-city resident would be tempted to come here for treatment--and, in fact, many of those already here will be forced to return home."

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-04-13 11:01 PM

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ill health and criminal records, according to a Bucknell University study made public last year. The first thing many do is sign up for general assistance, a state program that provides up to $100 a month for a year to a recovering addict. The Federal Government provides an additional $90 a month worth of food stamps. Mothers with children sign up for Federal Aid to Families with Dependent Children."

"Others, including Mayor Jessie L. Bloom, a Democrat, want to improve social services for local people and others who are serious about recovering and, at the same time, deal firmly and swiftly with anyone who causes trouble. "It's a problem we have to address," she said. "We can't send these people away."

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-04-13 10:59 PM

She added: "We want our city to grow, but with productive people, not unproductive ones."

Google "Town's Good Reputation Has Become Its Problem" By MICHAEL deCOURCY HINDS, Special to The New York Times Published: February 17, 1991

"They sent him through a week of detoxification, bought him some new clothes and handed him a one-way bus ticket to this small town in north-central Pennsylvania's bucolic Susquehanna Valley."

"Every day Lynn I. Miller looks through his office window at the Loyal Order of Moose and watches buses from big cities pull up across the street and disgorge drug addicts, alcoholics, people with AIDS and welfare families who need everything."

"The extraordinary influx of downtrodden people in Williamsport, near Interstate 80 and about 90 miles north of Harrisburg, follows what by now is an established pattern. The newcomers often arrive fresh from drug and alcohol treatment programs, with little money, ill health and c

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-04-13 10:58 PM

Okay, here are three 20+ year old articles that reveal interesting comments; some are consistent with what I earlier mentioned; some offer additional information.

Google "Small Town, Big-city Problems Williamsport Blames Recovering Phila. Addicts" By David Zucchino, Inquirer Staff Writer POSTED: August 27, 1990

"I'd like to give them a bus ticket back to Philadelphia."

"They are directed here by a word-of-mouth network of social workers and probation officers that considers the city a good place to recover. A sort of cottage industry for treatment has sprung up here..."

"The first thing they do is get on welfare,"

"Some Williamsport officials have proposed forcing the newcomers to leave town by denying them local services. They argue that city efforts to coordinate resources are encouraging more ex-addicts and alcoholics to stream in. Mayor Bloom disagrees, saying, "You can't put up a wall and keep people out." She adde

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-04-13 10:17 PM

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were ones that I recollected.

I am sure that many of the people were good or have turned their life around and that is a good thing.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-04-13 10:16 PM

"Texas: assumptions that Bloom greeted the influx at the bus? Are you for real? Please cite your source for those accusations."--Radioactive

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Fair question. I didn't literally mean that mayor Bloom or any other Williamsport mayor actually met each person from Philly as they were debussing; I was saying that they promoted/established the connections, systems and organizations that encouraged and made it happen.

I haven't lived there for 30 yrs so how could I get that specific? It was because of conversations I had with locals in the county, none actual residents in Williamsport. Sometime in the past, approximately 20 years ago, when I visited back "home" I would go have coffee with some of the people and it was a topic that came up several times. The words/phrases "one way bus ticket", "people meeting them when they got off the bus", "getting registered to vote", and "signing up for welfare" were ones that I recoll

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hopeforfuture

Dec-04-13 10:04 PM

eriklatranyi Sorry to disappoint you but I am definitely not a liberal. It is just how things work in good ol' Billtown.

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eriklatranyi

Dec-04-13 7:26 PM

hopeforthefuture said:

"Williamsport has always been unfriendly to those the elite deem as beneath them just ask any school student who was treated as a lesser person because their parents were not rich."

My parents were immigrants who were rejected as outsiders by the poor and rich who live in this area.

Trying to make this about the rich is just a sleazy liberal tactic.

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JerryfromRI

Dec-04-13 6:11 PM

Enigma -

Thank you for your concern. I assure you I feel very much at home here. I have lived in a number of places and I'm actually quite adept at assimilation. I'm a really happy fellow. Can you say the same of yourself?

I suggest to you that you ignore this Letter to the Editor, and the comments of anyone that may have expressed any agreement with it, because you've decided that this letter addresses a concern that you are quite sure does not exist, so why bother yourself with it.

Best regards my friend.

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Capricorn1

Dec-04-13 6:07 PM

Enigma, I never said I supported this ordinance, in fact I have voiced the opposite many times in the past. I addressed tenant registration because that is what was alluded to in the letter and what many people are still talking about for some reason.

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enigma

Dec-04-13 4:37 PM

Cap, There's a lot more to the ordinance than that. It basically requires landlords to enforce the law. It also requires landlords to prevent crime or lose six months rental income. The police can't stop the crime so maybe the landlords can? How stupid is that? Everything about this ordinance is wrong. It's just more government interference in private affairs. Actually the most reasonable part of the bill was tenant registration and they removed that because people wouldn't go for it, so council and the mayor decided to make landlords the scapegoat for the crime problem. Why not, nobody likes landlords. I don't really like landlords either, but I like freedom and I'll stand up for theirs, because if they can lose theirs, we can lose ours.

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RealAmerican

Dec-04-13 4:24 PM

don't even try to convince a liberal to assimilate to their locality. Rhode island is a liberal mecca if ever their was one

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enigma

Dec-04-13 4:18 PM

JerryfromRI, You ask how the city can change a perception that is without merit. The answer is that if a perception is without merit it cannot be changed, except by the person who holds it. Do you not know what "without merit" means? It means that there is no reason for it. How can the city change an idea that you hold for no reason? Here's the deal, you believe that you are an outsider, so you feel like an outsider. IT'S YOU! Act like you belong here and that you don't hate everything about this area and you will be accepted. I have friends who don't even know that I've only been here three years. That's because when I moved here, I didn't just move my stuff, I moved my life. I am now a Pennsylvanian, or as you would call it, a hick, and that's the major part of your problem. If you don't want to become one of us, that's your right, but then don't complain when you're not treated like one of us.

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RealAmerican

Dec-04-13 2:46 PM

shaman is just a socialist libtard. when obama opens up his socialist fema camps we'll need our guns. this dope does not know that our guns keep us free from goverment tyranny.

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RealAmerican

Dec-04-13 2:45 PM

shaman you can come on here and mock all these good people but don't you dare make fun of my country. this is America love it or leave it.

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Capricorn1

Dec-04-13 12:06 PM

Is everyone aware that the ordinance that was passed does not require tenants to register? It only requires landlords to register and state the number of tenants residing in the building. Everything regarding the registration of tenants was removed from the final ordinance. So I'm not sure why everyone is still debating this.

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JerryfromRI

Dec-04-13 11:00 AM

Even if you assert that the letter's author's perceptions, and those of ones sympathetic to those perceptions, are without merit, that does not change the fact those perceptions exist.

That being the case, and if you were the kind of person that wanted to increase Williamsport's tax base, how does the city overcome those perceptions while at the same time pursuing the new renters ordinances?

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SteelerFan

Dec-04-13 10:59 AM

streetmachine, turn off your caps lock!!

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leaningright

Dec-04-13 10:38 AM

I don't care if you are a renter or not, that doesn't make up my mind about you, renter or home owner who cares. My bigger question would be this, are you an asset to this country or a daily liability? If you don't contribute anything and just cost the taxpayers money, you are a liabilty and that needs to change in this country. Some contribute and others just leech off of the system and those people need to go or change. Contribute in some way, ie: get a job, pay your taxes, pay your bills, abide by the law and i could care less where you live. If you are nothing other than a liabitly please leave, the country that is. Welcome to Williamsport PA !

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Capricorn1

Dec-04-13 9:37 AM

He sacrificed our economy & 4000+ American-servicemen/women, to compensate for his Chickenhawk-status. I'd say he's well-earned his reputation. -Shaman

Give me a break. Don't try and show your fake pity for the men and women in uniform that lost their lives. We already know your disdain for the military. Don't use their loss of life to try and support your pointless opinion.

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hopeforfuture

Dec-04-13 9:35 AM

Williamsport has always been unfriendly to those the elite deem as beneath them just ask any school student who was treated as a lesser person because their parents were not rich. Nothing new, this goes back to the 50's and 60's maybe even before then. The sad thing is the elite do not even know what they are doing, they live in a bubble. Good rule to live by: consider the source--- and forgive ignorance.

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Capricorn1

Dec-04-13 9:32 AM

Did you ever stop to think that maybe it's your attitude that makes you unwelcome and not the fact that you're not from around here? Try treating people like equals rather than some under-evolved species and you might find that you are accepted just fine. -Enigma

Great advice Enigma and for a minute there I thought you were directing it at Shaman. You don't even need to meet a person sometimes, they display themselves clear enough by what comes out of their mouth, or in this case, what goes from their mind to a keyboard.

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