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Christmas is or was

December 12, 2013

In today's society we have changed Christmas. All that was needed was change Holy by dropping the sometimes vowel "y" into "i" and join Holy Day into holiday....

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rmiller

Dec-13-13 10:54 PM

David,

The events you speak to that "fuel" their actions? Ted Bundy wouldn't have ever killed those women, if his parents hadn't spanked him, right? This religion permeates every faction and avenue of their lives. They don't need fuel to better or worsen their justification to be cruel. Their belief system dictates that, and nothing outside of it. Keep it within the confines of the home. They can beat their wives, even kill them if she looks cross eyed accidentally at another man, or she unveils her face, or she cooks the wrong meal. The young girls can be killed by the father if they do anything they deem morally reprehensible and call it an "honor killing." And, this is fueled by???

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rmiller

Dec-13-13 10:47 PM

David, " Then, after 9-11, and Bush labeled Iran as part of the Axis of Evil, it allowed the hardliners in Iran to regain control and turn back the clock. To me, that was one of the two dumbest things GW said while president. The other dumb thing was when he said, "Bring it on."

Please tell me, I'm not hearing that Iran became a victim because of what President Bush said? Iran would never "submit to Western ideology." David, please....I know you are smarter than this, please.

Don't use talking points, study the religion....America is the final frontier, if you will, for conquest. Virtually every other country, nation in this world is all but under Islamic rule. This isn't a religion confined to the ME only and it would be naïve of people to presume that, much less espouse it. As I asked in the other LTR, how much more tolerance do the PC police want? What exactly do you want? I must be missing something here.

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Ritty77

Dec-13-13 7:18 PM

Wow.

In 1979, Iran went from the 12th century to the 7th.

Iran was designated a "State Sponsor of Terrorism" by the U.S. Dept. of State on January 19, 1984. All Bush did was call a spade a spade.

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DavidBross

Dec-13-13 12:03 PM

Another example, still using Iran. From 1979, Iran went from a country that was trying to go back to the 12th Century, to a country that had a growing middle class and wanted to be part of the world community. It was fragile, but it was there. Then, after 9-11, and Bush labeled Iran as part of the Axis of Evil, it allowed the hardliners in Iran to regain control and turn back the clock. To me, that was one of the two dumbest things GW said while president. The other dumb thing was when he said, "Bring it on."

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DavidBross

Dec-13-13 12:02 PM

Regarding acts by Western Civilization we have to remember the centuries of colonial rule by the French, Dutch and English to name a few. If your people had lived under their rule for centuries it would not be water under the bridge. Regarding the Middle East, this also has recent events fueling what we see today. For almost a century, the British and then with the US, carved up the ME by drawing boundaries that benefitted us but ignored thousands of years of history, culture, etc. Then, in the 1950s we (the CIA) overthrew the duly elected president of Iran and replaced him with the Shah. That helped ensure a steady supply of cheap oil This lasted until the revolt in Iran in 1979. That revolt was fueled by the events of the '50s. And those events fuel what is happening today.

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DavidBross

Dec-13-13 12:01 PM

RMiller, The Christians I mentioned are Christians as much as the Muslims who perpetrate violence are Muslims. Christian and Muslim can be labels of cultural identity as much as religious belief and that is how I use it in these contexts. I know that you and many other Christians soundly reject the attitudes and actions I mentioned. I should have made that clearer. Thanks for reminding me of that.

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CMReeder

Dec-13-13 11:01 AM

Sorry but you are joyless too.

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rmiller

Dec-13-13 10:11 AM

"Conservatives are so busy chewing on that bitter poison pill they take ever day that they can no longer enjoy Christmas or any other holiday anymore. They are so miserable they want everyone else to be as miserable as they are."

Actually Chuck, I have joy....happiness is an emotion, subject to change....joy remains...because you, nor any other person can take that away. :)

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CMReeder

Dec-13-13 9:49 AM

Conservatives are so busy chewing on that bitter poison pill they take ever day that they can no longer enjoy Christmas or any other holiday anymore. They are so miserable they want everyone else to be as miserable as they are.

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CMReeder

Dec-13-13 9:46 AM

Cute poem must of been written by a lying conservative.

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USABorn

Dec-13-13 8:46 AM

spike2 - 8:24 AM

"Actually, Hinduism is the oldest religion known."

The Sumerian religion is the oldest religion known to man. Hinduism is the third oldest.

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USABorn

Dec-13-13 8:31 AM

cont'd

Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty

Are words that were used to intimidate me.

Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen

On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton!

At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter

To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.

And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith

Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace

The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded

The reason for the season, stopped before it started.

So as you celebrate 'Winter Break' under your 'Dream Tree'

Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.

Choose your words carefully, choose what you say

Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS,

not Happy Holiday!

Please, all Christians join together and wish everyone you meet

MERRY CHRISTMAS

Christ is The Reason for the Christ-mas Season!

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USABorn

Dec-13-13 8:29 AM

Twas the month before Christmas

When all through our land,

Not a Christian was praying

Nor taking a stand.

Why the PC Police had taken away

The reason for Christmas - no one could say.

The children were told by their schools not to sing

About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.

It might hurt people's feelings, the teachers would say

December 25th is just a 'Holiday'.

Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit

Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!

CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-Pod

Something was changing, something quite odd!

Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa

In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.

As Targets were hanging their trees upside down

At Lowe's the word Christmas - was no where to be found.

At K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears

You won't hear the word Christmas; it won't touch your ears.

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spike2

Dec-13-13 8:24 AM

Right, no one else is trying to indoctrinate. Religious zealots always have a need to indoctrinate by different names. The argument is essentially the same. My religion is right and yours is not. What is the problem with everyone deciding for themselves? Actually, Hinduism is the oldest religion known.

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CMReeder

Dec-13-13 8:12 AM

"I remember when I was a child, Christmas was a Holy Day. Nothing, I mean Nothing was open. Everything was closed."

Actually that is not accurate. At of retail was not open. Emergency facilities were open for business as were some restaurants. So were travel businesses. Not everything was closed for Christmas.

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rmiller

Dec-12-13 10:40 PM

Hollywood's invasion into the minds of our children and every book and publication that does not proclaim allah as the only true god....and so on.

That is a minuscule glimpse at Islam. Islam has killed, and continues to kill by the minute, those who get in their way of their culture.

You are far too educated and compassionate to try to equate Christianity and Islam. Again, I ask that you know first truth about Christians, Godly Christians. It breaks my heart to listen repeatedly people bringing up the Crusades or Hitler or groups such as the kkk, or the white ayrian race, Jim Jones, etc., etc., and label it the generic Christian value plan. It's not, and yes, many Christians take it personal.

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rmiller

Dec-12-13 10:28 PM

What I'm trying to share is your idea or concept of a Christian and the Bible's idea of a Christian are vastly different. AmericanCitizen speaks to the West Boro actions being called out by people like myself and thousands of others. They don't represent us. As for Islamic Law? It is not just a prayer rug religion. It is their life....they govern their countries and their legal systems, their schools, homes, and every fabric of their culture by Islamic rule. There is no other religion on the face of the planet trying to impose, indoctrinate and or otherwise pervade other nations as much as Islam. If liberals think for one second that their feigned "tolerance" will spare their heads should Islam become law in our country, they should think again. After they take the heads off we who proclaim Christ, they will proceed to chop your daughters heads off because of their attire, and they will mutilate the sodomites who are out of the closet and destroy every form of Hollyw

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rmiller

Dec-12-13 10:14 PM

David,

The posts you make are becoming a bit embittered, unlike you. :(

The term "Christian" is generic, past history, present and tomorrow. The reason AmericanCitizen is making his case (and rightly so) is with merit. As a Christian, and a fundamentalist at that, I would not entertain taking the life of a human being outside of self defense or someone I loved. You are citing examples of pure unadulterated hate. Regardless of the reason, hate is hate. I love the Lord, murder is a sin before Him, period. And, if I share the Gospel to a person of another faith and they refuse to hear the truth, it stops there. I don't take their life, or torture them. I am not alone. Millions of Christians world wide died horrific deaths because of their love for Christ. Your reference to Hitler calling himself a Christian doesn't mean he was. No Christian I know of, would persecute any person of Jewish faith.

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AmericanCitizen

Dec-12-13 7:24 PM

I would argue the Irish and other Christian-on-Christian violence were equivalent to present day Sunni/Shiite upheavals. Regardless, I don't condone either one. They're all driven by religious belief, its just that these attitudes seem almost institutionalized and exponentially more violent in Islam.

Snake-handling and speaking in tongues are not widespread Christian practices. The Pope is not calling for a Holy War against Hindus. Few mainstream present-day Christians would condone the 1900s atrocities you describe. I don't hear Muslims raising their voices EN MASS to decry stoning or setting fire to girls schools. What I see are everyday people literally dancing in the streets of Saudi Arabia (our "staunch ally")the second they saw the towers fall.

My friend has NO, ZERO chance of having her children returned to her. To see them at all she would have to travel to Saudi Arabia and God knows what would happen to her when she got there.

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DavidBross

Dec-12-13 6:45 PM

"but I've never met a Christian who wants to kill or enslave me for disagreeing with them." Then you haven't lived in Northern Ireland. That violence was completely Christian on Christian. And then WWI was Christian on Christian with both sides sure that God was on their side and supporting their actions which included the use of poison gas. Also, in the early 1900s we have the French ripping fingers and arms off of Algerian women to take their jewels without bothering to remove the jewelry and left the women to bleed out. Again, if you had a larger view of history, you would know that what some Muslims are doing now, is what Christians have already done for hundreds of years. Also, perhaps your view of Muslims is as skewed as a Muslims would be if they thought that "Snake Salvation" was representative of Christianity.

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rmiller

Dec-12-13 5:06 PM

Thank you AmericanCitizen for your comments.

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AmericanCitizen

Dec-12-13 4:51 PM

And before you tell me these are only a few "bad apples," that Islam is predominantly not that way, show me the expressions of outrage at these behaviors. The vast majority of Christians denounce the fringe extremists like the KKK or the Westboro Baptist Church. Trying to find a large population of Muslims who speak out against even the milder elements of Shariah Law? Good luck.

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AmericanCitizen

Dec-12-13 4:47 PM

I know the woman whose children were abducted by the Saudi father, even met him on occasion. My first impression: nice, intelligent, rational guy.

I believe Islam is a dangerous religion; intolerant, backward, encourages lying to "infidels" to advance the cause of Allah. I have plenty of complaints about Christianity but I've never met a Christian who wants to kill or enslave me for disagreeing with them.

Call me bigoted to your heart's content, the simple fact is I will never trust a practicing Muslim. And not because of their beliefs. Because of their actions.

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DeanWormer

Dec-12-13 4:06 PM

Yeah, yeah...you can find a passage in the bible to justify just about any viewpoint. Danger Will Robinson!

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rmiller

Dec-12-13 3:57 PM

DeanWormer,

Did you know that God calls those who don't believe, "fools." I'm learning that when I look at man (general terminology) to determine what a Christian should or shouldn't be, I'm disappointed almost every time. No one measures up to Christ, so don't look to we Christians to be without fault...it just ain't gonna happen in this lifetime....

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