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December 14, 2013

I just read where Obama Care will exclude the top hospitals in their plans....

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Yoxtheimer

Dec-14-13 3:16 AM

It's always been that way stop pretending that preferential treatment is a new thing. How does an ol' pro ball player who drank them self nearly to death get a liver over a 7 year old kid. A rich person is always going to have access to treatments that are out of reach of the poor. That's why everyone in this country wants to be rich so they can live off the backs of the poor as they've always have. Nothing's changed, the ruling class will always get their way no matter who you vote for.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-14-13 5:02 AM

Envy the upper class much Yoxtheimer?

I agree with your assessment that those with money or better health insurance have access to better, more advanced health care. But the rest of your diatribe is pure class warfare.

It's obvious that Obama lied about ACA. It's obvious that they really messed up the roll out of the ACA. It's obvious that Obama delayed the employer mandate until after the 2014 elections for political reasons. It's obvious that there are a couple of good points to Obamacare. And it's obvious that Obamacare has had no effect in making health care affordable.

But what's also obvious is it has nothing to do with class.

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Capricorn1

Dec-14-13 5:51 AM

I don't think much more can be said about this law. All we can do now is sit back and watch what effect it will have on this country, and for those that it has negatively effected, your vote next year will be the way to voice your dissatisfaction.

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sideliner

Dec-14-13 6:41 AM

Mike, I can't see how in one breath you agree with the assessment of preferential treatment for the elite in just about every aspect of life, from health care to criminal justice, and in the other claim class warfare.

You may be correct in that it has nothing to do with class. It has more to do with degree of wealth. But that in turn defines class.

It is what it is. If it in fact it is class warfare as you say, then it is the elite warring against the rest. Period. The poor certainly didn't start it. They were too busy trying to survive on a daily basis to expend valuable energy on an unwinnable war.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-14-13 6:51 AM

sideliner-"Mike, I can't see how in one breath you agree with the assessment of preferential treatment for the elite in just about every aspect of life, from health care to criminal justice, and in the other claim class warfare."

I never said that. I said that people with greater wealth and better health insurance plans had access to better health care because of it. I never said nor implied that I thought they got preferential treatment. My neighbor just bought a $40,000 truck that I can't afford and I will have to settle for something under $3000 after the New Year when I replace my old one. That doesn't equate to him getting preferential treatment.

I, personally, am an advocate of a single payer health care system. But my comments weren't even close to what you perceived them to be.

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eriklatranyi

Dec-14-13 6:51 AM

If you are over the age of 50 and develop cancer, do not expect extensive treatment.

As President Obama said, “Maybe you’re better off to tell your mother to take a pill, take a painkiller.”

But, when Ted Kennedy, at 72 was fighting a brain tumor, he was given every type of treatment possible, including expensive experimental treatments.

This is the future liberals will deliver via Obamacare. The peasants should go home and die while the elite are given every perk possible.

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spike2

Dec-14-13 6:53 AM

This letter is true only in part. We were in the Philadelphia area when the enrollment period began. Hahnemann, UPenn and Jefferson along with the Philadelphia Enquirer went to great lengths to explain the various plans.Some hospitals do not accept one plan but accept another. This is something each buyer should look at. What type of insurance is accepted at the hospital you would choose? Sounds like it's stacked against the "poor guy". Actually, nearly all of the large, highly rated hospitals will accept all the plans by 2015. These hospitals explained, via the news and brochures, that they would be changing their fee structures to be in compliance.

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JohnHilfirty

Dec-14-13 6:53 AM

Capricorn1 @ Dec-14-13 5:51 AM

"I don't think much more can be said about this law."

I have to agree with that statement... the problem is that probably 75% of what HAS BEEN SAID about "OBAMAcare" has been lies created by the political opposition!

It was first suggested by the RIGHT-WING Heritage Fdn.; Implemented by Romney in Mass., successfully!

- mikekerstetter @ 5:02 AM

"... it's obvious that Obamacare has had no effect in making health care affordable."

Mike, don't cha think that's because m0st parts don't take effect until 01/01/2014 or 2015?

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" That's why everyone in this country wants to be rich so they can live off the backs of the poor as they've always have. Nothing's changed, the ruling class will always get their way no matter who you vote for." (YOX)

The past 30 years PROVE that!

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sideliner

Dec-14-13 6:55 AM

Mike, I may have read more into your post than was there, and for that I apologize. However, I have read where the ACA has in fact reduced premiums at the same time increasing coverage for many who have enrolled.

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spike2

Dec-14-13 6:59 AM

Erik - your quote is out of context. Second, where do you not see truth in that statement? many, many senior citizens would prefer palliative care or hospice over chemo, radiation or heroic measures. Both of my parents had "Cadillac policies" and chose palliative care. Both were professionals and one in the field of medicine (prior to anyone ever using the word Obamacare).Another family member has chosen the same course. This should be an individual decision and often is a choice between quantity and quality. My point is that sometimes Mom,dad, Grandma and Grandpa prefer pain medication rather than treatment. That is their choice.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-14-13 7:08 AM

Spike, good post. I've read a few health care professionals say that there is a lot we can do to someone in regards to extending their life without doing anything for them but extending the suffering for them and their loved ones. Quantity vs. Quality is a valid point with regards to end of life treatment.

And before someone says it, no, that does not mean that I advocate euthanasia.

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gavinf56

Dec-14-13 7:23 AM

The "Affordable" Care Act is anything but for the majority of the population. Now HHS wants the insurance companies to cover individuals who have signed up but not yet paid for their insurance.

A couple of old acronyms used by the GI's of WWII comes to mind about the ACA, FUBA and BOHICA.

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gavinf56

Dec-14-13 7:23 AM

FUBA = FUBAR

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eriklatranyi

Dec-14-13 7:38 AM

Spike:

My father, who just passed away on the 26th of November, decided to stay home.

I am a strong believer in personal choice.

But what about those who choose to fight and are denied by their insurance carrier, or now, by some faceless bureaucrat?

That is the point.

The elites will get all the care possible while rations are placed on the care of the general population.

We are not a class system and one group should not be treated better than another just because they were elected to public office.

You know that gov't programs rob people of personal choice.

A competitive landscape provides choice.

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Capricorn1

Dec-14-13 7:55 AM

Does anyone know what Obamacare will actually cost the taxpayers as a result of the subsidies, Medicare expansion and all the other costs associated with this law? When this law was first advertised, it was stated that it would actually reduce the deficit. I have not heard what it will actually cost now that it has been implemented.

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CaveFelem

Dec-14-13 8:01 AM

My health insurance company has dropped Memorial Sloan Kettering from the approved provider list. The reason was the reimbursement rates to that particular hospital are too high. We were told we could still go there, but would pay out of network costs (quite high).

Thankfully we can get good cancer treatment locally.

I worry about the affect on research at the big hospitals if their patient numbers decrease. It seems that treating more patients would bring advances to treatment sooner.

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spike2

Dec-14-13 8:06 AM

cave- Hopefully Sloan will qualify in 2015. Hospitals will be able to do this by shifting charges. decrease under some billing codes and increase in others. Hospitals benefit from numbers and they will find a way to keep their numbers up.

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gavinf56

Dec-14-13 8:06 AM

"I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits — either now or in the future." - President Barack Obama, Sept 2009.

Another lie.

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spike2

Dec-14-13 8:08 AM

cave - research $'s don't come from hospital admissions, most come from endowments and NIH.

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Ritty77

Dec-14-13 8:14 AM

"The rich live off the backs of the poor."

Drink. If anything, the opposite is true.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-14-13 8:16 AM

"It appears that Obama and the Democrats are choosing who shall live and die"--LTE

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Actually when God says it is your time, you die. If God wants you to live, He will heal you.

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CMReeder

Dec-14-13 8:21 AM

Did any of you bother to read the article in Financial Times that explores the so called denying access to 'elite' hospitals.

Who has company paid health insurance that has access to every hospital and doctor in the US without the providers approval?

Do any of you understand what competition in the markets means?

The right is just doing their knee jerking best to spread false claims.

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CaveFelem

Dec-14-13 8:24 AM

Spike, I was thinking about the types of patients that the hospital would treat, like if someone like me came down with an odd type of cancer, I would go there, and it might spur some sort of treatment option that might work for me and then other people.

My thought process was, fewer patients might mean fewer types of diseases, and then less opportunity to figure things out.

Truth be told, if I was that bad off, I'm not sure I'd want to go through all the misery of treatment. I've seen family members suffer and die with cancer, and the treatments can be brutal.

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TARGETOFFORCEDPOOLING

Dec-14-13 8:43 AM

This policy is no different than what many people currently have. There has always been in network and out of network providers. Nothing in your insurance says you can't go to an "elite" hoispital for treatment, you will just pay the out of network price. The good thing about the ACA is that it limits your out of pocket expenses to $6,000 a year. This is one of the reasons many of these policy are being cancelled is many of the out of network deductibles were much higher.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-14-13 9:27 AM

Eriklatranyi, sorry to hear about your father's passing. My prayers and thoughts are with you and your family.

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