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Two studies raise questions about climate change arguments

December 23, 2013

Two scientific studies that nearly crossed paths on the way to publication by the National Academy of Sciences raise serious questions about climate change — and the liberal knee-jerk reaction that......

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MisMac

Dec-26-13 3:12 PM

Thanks Born Here and, yes, it was obvious that the EPA was told to walk away from the investigation. They had already given a community presentation providing the citizens with water test results that blantently proved the wells had been contaminated with frack fluid. Then, with no acceptable explaination, they withdrew the investigation. How stupid they must take us all for.

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BornHere

Dec-26-13 1:32 PM

Here's some GREAT NEWS Dec. 24, 2013

Inspector General finds EPA Justified in Intervening to Protect Drinking Water from Fracking.

Reports in major news outlets indicate that the Obama administration CAUSED the EPA to abandon studies of potential drilling or fracking pollution in Pavillion, Wy. and Dimock, Pa. despite evidence of drilling-related harm.

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PSUBIKER

Dec-25-13 6:15 AM

Eat more cows.

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hopeforfuture

Dec-24-13 6:17 PM

Fracking has been around for around 50 years. It is a wonder there are any new homes built.

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MisMac

Dec-24-13 12:06 PM

"A recent survey of 550 people found that the majority of people would not purchase a home near natural gas drilling. The University of Denver study, to soon be published in the Journal of Real Estate Literature, found up to a 25 percent decrease in bid value of homes near fracking." Quote from Realtor Mag ~OFFICIAL MAGAZINE OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS

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MisMac

Dec-24-13 11:31 AM

Hopefully people who are due to renew their gas leases will think twice before signing away their property values.

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BornHere

Dec-24-13 11:17 AM

See- "New Study Express Flood of Dark Money Feeding Climate Denial".

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Judgeandjury

Dec-24-13 10:51 AM

It is a shame there are no standards for the editorials in this publication. I suspect the author of this one simply Googled around until he found this study and went with it without doing any further research. As the last comment points out, this "study" has been categorically exposed as industry propoganda. Financially supported by the industry and brought to public awareness by paid industry shills. It seems a little embarrassing that an editorial in any publication can be written based on such flawed/false information. Next thing we know they will be telling us cigarette smoking is safe based on the Frank Statement from 1954. Good work SG!

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MisMac

Dec-24-13 10:01 AM

Please note that the SG did not even give a title of the article it is referring to from the Proceeds of the National Academy of Science. No worries, I found it and the reason that they did so. Look at the source of funding for the study. Quote: "ACKNOWLEDGMENTS. We thank the sponsors of this work for financial support, technical advice, and access to sites for sampling. The sponsors were Environmental Defense Fund (EDF), Anadarko Petroleum Corporation, BG Group plc, Chevron, Encana Oil & Gas (USA) Inc., Pioneer Natural Resources Company, SWEPI LP (Shell), Southwestern Energy, Talisman Energy USA, and XTO Energy, an ExxonMobil subsidiary. Funding for EDF’s methane research series, including the University of Texas study, is provided for by Fiona and Stan Druckenmiller, Heising-Simons Foundation, Bill and Susan Oberndorf, Betsy and Sam Reeves, Robertson Foundation, the Walton Family Foundation." Article title is "Measurements of methane emissions at natural gas prod

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MisMac

Dec-24-13 9:28 AM

"Not only are banks starting to refuse to make mortgage loans near oil and gas shale plays, title insurance companies are also starting to exempt any potential losses stemming from unforeseen problems rising from oil and gas development, and that leaves the lenders at greater risk.

And homeowner’s insurance, which is also a requirement for getting a mortgage, is likewise getting harder to buy in shale gas plays where spills, small earthquakes, contaminated water and other potentially disastrous things are causing insurers to think twice."

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MisMac

Dec-24-13 9:26 AM

"Even if a homeowner refuses to sign an oil and gas lease on her property, in most states the company doing the drilling can “force pool” the landowner into a well’s spaced unit as long as they pay them the oil and gas royalties that would have been due to them had they signed a lease. Even being force pooled against their will can put a homeowner into technical default of their mortgage and therefore at the mercy of the lender.

These are only some of the conflicts that now exist for homeowners who already have a mortgage on their property.

The larger concern for the real estate market going forward in at least 34 states is that many lenders may simply stop lending in many places due to oil and gas activity — or just the fear it may come."

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MisMac

Dec-24-13 9:25 AM

While the Sun Gazette enjoys referring to environmental protectors as having knee-jerk reactions, maybe one of these days they can do a piece on plunging property values. This is from a Boulder Weekly piece and we are following in CO's footsteps: "Any mortgage on a property where the homeowner has signed an oil and gas lease without first gaining the mortgage holder’s permission could be called, forcing the homeowner to pay off the loan or vacate the property.

Most homeowners are unaware that they need their mortgage holder’s permission before they can execute leases on their own property. Most oil and gas companies don’t tell potential lessors about the mortgage requirement because they know that mortgage holders are more likely than not these days to say “no” to an oil and gas lease that lenders understand is most likely going to lower the value of the property that serves as their collateral."

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DavidBross

Dec-23-13 9:56 AM

*********=f a r t i n g Still fun to type it even with spaces in between!

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DavidBross

Dec-23-13 9:55 AM

Two thoughts: First, the editorial says the two principal sources of methane are the natural gas and oil industries and livestock. And the conclusion the editorial draws from this is that we should rethink Administration's position on coal. I would think that a more logical conclusion, just using the editorial as a guide, would be that we need to focus on the natural gas/oil industry. Not sure what we can do about********cows.

Second, the editorial cited a study that indicated drilling for natural gas does not emit as much methane as had been believed. Ok, the first study didn't just focus on drilling. It talked about the gas and oil industries' which also includes refining and other processes. And, how does this relate to the first study which said that the gas and oil industries are one of two principal sources of methane.

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rick424

Dec-23-13 7:36 AM

At least you are admitting there is global warming. That is a step in the right direction.

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MrShaman

Dec-23-13 5:39 AM

"Two scientific studies that nearly crossed paths on the way to publication by the National Academy of Sciences raise serious questions about climate change - and the liberal knee-jerk reaction that it must be caused by human activities."

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Hmmmmmmmm...."odd"!

What about the study commissioned by those patrons of the GOP??

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See:

Bombshell: Koch-Funded Study Finds 'Global Warming Is Real', 'On The High End' And 'Essentially All' Due To Carbon Pollution | ThinkProgress

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