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December 21, 2013

In a recent conversation with a local mail carrier about the disappointing failure of the drug war, he stated that the solution to the problems with the use of illegal street drugs is to take the......

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mikekerstetter

Dec-21-13 4:07 AM

Yay, free illegal, harmful drugs for everyone!!!! = David Fausts liberal utopian dream.

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CarlHiller

Dec-21-13 5:11 AM

Iam not a liberal by any means but this makes far more sense than waging the "war against drugs" that has only increased usage and violence.

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eriklatranyi

Dec-21-13 5:12 AM

Another liberal idea to take your hard earned money and give it to drug addicts.

Meanwhile, liberals actually think drug cartels will just go away and not get into some other illegal substance.....like large soft drinks or trans fat foods.

Liberal stupidity on display!

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mikekerstetter

Dec-21-13 5:26 AM

OK Carl. Are you and David going to give out free booze to address alcoholism? Free women to address the sex trade? How about Government run stores where everything is free so people won't have to steal. I don't know where people get these harebrained ideas.

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Capricorn1

Dec-21-13 6:00 AM

The war on drugs probably wouldn't have been the failure it is if they would have spent as much resources and effort on the demand as they did the supply. You can't force rehabilitation and counseling on addicts, but for the small percentage that it's offered to in the criminal justice system, they have had positive success regarding reoffending and continued use of drugs. Why aren't they making this treatment mandatory in the criminal justice system and offering more resources for those who want it outside the system? Cut down on the demand, and you will cut down on the supply. Offering people free drugs from the government is condoning it's use and the misery is brings not only to the abuser, but their families.

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MrShaman

Dec-21-13 6:17 AM

"So how does society take the profit out of illegal street drugs? The answer is to make them available free of charge to those who have a need to get high in order to escape reality and the responsibility of everyday life." - David L. Faust

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...Just like we did with alcohol...right??

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MrShaman

Dec-21-13 6:19 AM

"Yay, free illegal, harmful drugs for everyone!!!! = David Fausts liberal utopian dream." - mikekerstetter

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That's odd. It sounded (more) like another sophomoric/T-Baggin' attempt at sarcasm, to me!

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MrShaman

Dec-21-13 6:24 AM

"I don't know where people get these harebrained ideas." - mikekerstetter

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I'm guessing "conservatives" are getting overly-excited over Uruguay's moves...

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See:

Uruguay: Lawmakers Authorize Marijuana Production And Sales

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MrShaman

Dec-21-13 6:30 AM

"Cut down on the demand, and you will cut down on the supply." - Capricorn1

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I'm guessing you weren't a History Major.

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See:

Prohibition: Unintended Consequences | PBS

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VinceKnauff

Dec-21-13 6:34 AM

You know the problem with people committing crimes because they don't want to get a job to earn money? The solution to that should be to give money to anyone that feels they need it so they won't have to steal it.

Oh wait......

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-21-13 6:57 AM

So instead of free market, you want to replace it with government run and controlled? I would have thought you would have pushed for this to be on the approved ObamaCare list of medical treatment instead of the State Store. Maybe it is a convenience issue for some?

Since the USA would start endorsing drug usage, the Muslim fundamentalists will have further proof that the US is the great evil foe. Middle East nations would reduce their oil exports to the US and demand more expulsion of expatriates from their country. Gasoline and heating fuel prices would be going up!!!

No thanks; I don't like the solution.

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Premier

Dec-21-13 7:06 AM

How about we send them all to Sham's house where they could all clad themselves in tie dyed apparel and sandal's while tossing back some magic mushrooms while being in awe of the black light posters.

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Premier

Dec-21-13 7:07 AM

And don't forget to educate them all with your vast collection of YouTube videos.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-21-13 7:14 AM

CarlHiller,

I have to disagree with you on this one. We need a more concerted broader effort. Replace the poppy fields with food crops, take out the distribution systems, hit the drug lords faster and harder, set up tougher laws with more severe consequences for drug dealers even to death penalty (their actions ultimately lead to taking lives just like a person that murders someone with a gun), have more secular and Christian rehab centers, etc.

Maybe we can invent water sampling and testing technology that can be put in strategic points of waste water collection systems to find which homes have drug usage?

Get the beast under control so less monies have to be spent in future decades and that future generations can be more productive.

Loving your neighbor is not giving them easier access to drugs that can destroy their lives.

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spike2

Dec-21-13 7:30 AM

tex - that's interesting but also Utopian. Laws take man years to pass and you won't see the death penalty for drugs in your lifetime. Erik, as an example, it takes $5,200.00 per year for an individual to privately pay for methadone maintenance. It costs $30,000 plus to incarcerate for one year. A conservative user would spend at least $72,000 per year on her oin. The war against drugs was not and will not ever be effective.

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AmericanCitizen

Dec-21-13 7:57 AM

I'm a proud Liberal and I have to side with my Conservative friends on this one. I kept waiting for a punch line as I was reading the letter because I thought it was a joke.

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eriklatranyi

Dec-21-13 8:12 AM

Spike:

Nobody is supporting a continuation of the war on drugs.

Yes, treatment is expensive, but should be available to those who choose it. Most conservatives would support subsidizing treatment.

To curb demand, better education is required. Right now, most drug use is glamorized by media and pop culture.

Additionally, most drug addictions stem from the fact that many people cannot find the "high" in everyday life, so they turn to drugs for that artificial high.

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MrShaman

Dec-21-13 8:31 AM

"You know the problem with people committing crimes because they don't want to get a job to earn money? The solution to that should be to give money to anyone that feels they need it so they won't have to steal it." - VinceKnauff

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I don't think the folks, in Congress, are THAT willing to share their lobbyi$t$!!!

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MrShaman

Dec-21-13 8:36 AM

"Since the USA would start endorsing drug usage, the Muslim fundamentalists will have further proof that the US is the great evil foe. Middle East nations would reduce their oil exports to the US and demand more expulsion of expatriates from their country. Gasoline and heating fuel prices would be going up!!!" - ToTEXASfromPA

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You "conservatives" really should consider career-changes...by becoming script-writers, or going straight-into the ministry...and, PROFIT from your overactive-imagination!!!

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MrShaman

Dec-21-13 8:47 AM

"Loving your neighbor is not giving them easier access to drugs that can destroy their lives." - ToTEXASfromPA

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Love's got nothing to do, with it.

It's more a matter of PRACTICALITY...not (exactly) a "faith"-based concept.

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See:

Amsterdam Coffee Shop (1995) - YouTube

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JerryfromRI

Dec-21-13 8:53 AM

Do people have an obligation to become productive member of society?

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JohnZook

Dec-21-13 9:06 AM

YIKES!!!!- A very scary scenario; free drugs for everybody.... I've heard we must cut off supply and I've heard we must take away demand. We'll never get rid of supply when the incentive is money and remaining alive to grow the stuff. The Taliban was eradicating the poppies before the U.S. came in and let them grow again. Thanks GWB.... It's all about power, money, corruption and death. In other words, the Drug Cartels. Take them out (how?) and recovery from addiction is the biggest problem.

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underwood

Dec-21-13 9:11 AM

If we look at this objectively, we must conclude that decades of concentrating law enforcement on the supply side has done nothing to lessen drug usage and has led to a violent and sophisticated criminal empire. That leaves us with two options: concentrate on eliminating the demand through education, treatment and punishment of users, or decriminalizing drug use and making it a personal decision, which it is, and helping users deal with the consequences of their decision.

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MrShaman

Dec-21-13 9:26 AM

Spike:

Nobody is supporting a continuation of the war on drugs.

Additionally, most drug addictions stem from the fact that many people cannot find the "high" in everyday life, so they turn to drugs for that artificial high." - eriklatranyi

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...OR, food...OR, alcohol...OR, exercise...OR, gambling...

If people are looking for some "substitute" (for the "high" everyone's expected to experience, in everyday life)...and, they're not bothering anyone-else...who's business IS it, what their "addiction" might be?

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MrShaman

Dec-21-13 9:33 AM

"Do people have an obligation to become productive member of society?" - JerryfromRI

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Exactly!

No one asked to be born. Even the SUGGESTION, that (other) people have some "divine-right" to tell you how you MUST LIVE your Life, is absurd.

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