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Industry wins

December 22, 2013

In 2000, the dairy and food "Industry" won a major victory, giving them huge profits and great power over dairy farmers, resulting in the loss of thousands of US dairy farmers and bringing the......

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Scott36

Dec-24-13 9:55 AM

Instead, liberals blame corporations stemming from their personal hatred of capitalism.-eriklatranyi

To those whom favor "capitalism", or any other "ism" for that matter, can you point out where in any of these where the human factor of "greed" is taken into account? This IMO, is where government is needed. Just my opinion.-Scott

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!! BE IT A SAFE & HAPPY ONE!!!

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CMReeder

Dec-23-13 7:41 AM

Cronyism happens because of capitalism. It is one of the many drawbacks of unchecked capitalism.

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CMReeder

Dec-23-13 7:39 AM

Big business created this mess. They used their influence, money, hired 'guns'(experts, and their string arm tactics to get their way. Then they turn around and tell us it is the government's fault for letting it happen when they are the ones who demanded it happens.

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Fredzz

Dec-23-13 7:20 AM

Not quite Erik,

The gov't created this mess...at the demand of big business, not small farmers..!

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eriklatranyi

Dec-23-13 7:01 AM

The liberals just cannot understand that the crony system would not work with real ethics being enforced among our elected officials.

If our elected officials did not have the power to break a business, those businesses would not spend the money trying to influence those elected officials.

If our elected officials did not have the power to reward a business with lucrative contracts, business would not spend the money to influence those elected officials.

Instead, liberals blame corporations stemming from their personal hatred of capitalism.

Instead, liberals tell us to accept elected officials, who answer directly to voters, that are willing to negotiate donations for legislation.

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DavidBross

Dec-22-13 8:31 PM

"The gov't created this mess...not big business, not small farmers, but politicians." I find it hard to believe that. If it was true, then why do businesses spend so much money to influence politicians? Those in government and business find their relationship to be mutually beneficial. I believe both government and big business are equally to blame.

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Fredzz

Dec-22-13 5:26 PM

underwood Quote;

It looks like dairy farmers need to join forces and hire a few good lobbyists. The only competition we have in this regulated market is between lobbyists competing to see who can get the most favorable legislation for their clients.

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Wow... After all your comments about Free Market & against Government... Now your suggesting Farmers approach big government and BUY favors from big government ...????

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farmer

Dec-22-13 4:45 PM

Alsever

"And what about the Secret Gov't program run by the USF&WS that pays off a farm mortgage of farmer agrees to muse conservation practice"

Who told you that secret? Darn, ya know, ya just can't make this stuff up !!!!

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Alsever

Dec-22-13 3:34 PM

I'm 66 years old and for my entire life, I have heard over and over that farmers are going broke. Why have I NEVER seen a farm in the Tax Sales? Biggest scam for farmers is the tax break for Clean and Green. And what about the Secret Gov't program run by the USF&WS that pays off a farm mortgage of farmer agrees to muse conservation practices?

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RealAmerican

Dec-22-13 2:23 PM

Yuck. I don't want to drink milk.

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eriklatranyi

Dec-22-13 1:50 PM

The gov't should get out of the food business (except for inspections).

The gov't created this mess...not big business, not small farmers, but politicians.

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enigma

Dec-22-13 1:15 PM

farmer, You are partially right that we pay less for food than most countries. The price we pay at the store is lower, but only because we pay it in taxes instead. That money is then filtered through an inefficient and corrupt Dept of Agriculture and wasted on people who don't need it, and some gets to where it's supposed to be. It actually ends up costing more. We'd be better off paying the higher price and getting government out of it altogether. I know that's a very unpopular idea, but it's the truth.

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enigma

Dec-22-13 1:06 PM

"Eric you just proved that it is big business."-Chuck

Chuck, What you are saying is that the government that you worship is completely helpless. They cannot do the right thing and can only do what they are bribed to do. You are saying that elected officials are evil greedy people, who only care about themselves and what they can get out of their position. If that is what you believe, then why do you want government to have so much power? Your position makes no sense. Are you really that devoid of reason?

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nobud74

Dec-22-13 1:06 PM

Good comments Farmer. I am not sure what the answer is, but clearly what we are doing is not working and we need to figure out a way to keep our food production in this country. I would encourage everyone to avoid all Chinese food products for themselves and their pets. Bigger, mechanized farming seems to be the way to be profitable. But, this leads to other problems but we are still better off than with Chinese imports. When a gallon of milk costs more than a gallon of soda and a box of processed powdered mac n cheese is far cheaper than a head of lettuce we can see why we are a fat country that is actually undernourished. The trick is how to reverse that so that we become a healthy country.

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MrShaman

Dec-22-13 12:47 PM

"Fromtheport, In my opinion, dairy farming is only a failing business because of the various government regulations regarding the collection and storage of milk and the use of fertilizer and disposition of animal waste, coupled with Government setting the price for the product, that makes it unprofitable." - mikekerstetter

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So, those are our ONLY TWO options, huh...our food can be safe...OR, affordable, huh??

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MrShaman

Dec-22-13 12:42 PM

"If the government can control how much a farmer is paid for milk why can't they tell big oil "your getting $30 or $40/barrel"? - RFCS12

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I'm guessing Big Oil's lobbyi$t$ have MUCH-larger bags o' ("campaign-contribution") ca$h, that the dairy-industry's lobbyi$t$ do.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-22-13 10:04 AM

Fromtheport, In my opinion, dairy farming is only a failing business because of the various government regulations regarding the collection and storage of milk and the use of fertilizer and disposition of animal waste, coupled with Government setting the price for the product, that makes it unprofitable. A neighbor had milk cows but had to sell them off because he couldn't afford to upgrade equipment to comply with regulations.

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underwood

Dec-22-13 9:48 AM

It looks like dairy farmers need to join forces and hire a few good lobbyists. The only competition we have in this regulated market is between lobbyists competing to see who can get the most favorable legislation for their clients.

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farmer

Dec-22-13 9:33 AM

May God bless anyone willing to operate a small to medium size dairy farm in this county. I believe there is no question that for the work they put in, they usually get a raw deal. The farm bills of today have very little in common with the original Dust Bowel days. Today 10% of farmers get 74% of the farm subsidies. And 62% of American farmers get no subsidies. (for disclosure purposes, I'm one of the 62%) I for one believe the farm bill is way loaded with waste and fraud, but let's not throw the baby out with the wash water. Right or wrong, we as Americans pay far less for food then anywhere else in the world. 7% vs 20% of our income. Subsidies do help keep that number low. As for subsidies going to wealthy city dwellers, most of this can be attributed to huge agra-business (the 10%ers). Agra-businesses are large corporations,and like most large corporations, they are owned primarily by wealthy stock holders.( no sh.. on their Tony Lamas)

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 9:27 AM

Eric you just proved that it is big business.

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eriklatranyi

Dec-22-13 9:08 AM

Mr. Reeder said:

'Enigma it is big business intrusion at it's worst."

You are a liar.

Big business would not be able to do this if government did not assist them with legislation stemming from donations.

Keep gov't within its constitutional boundaries and big business would not be allowed to influence it, regardless how much money they spent.

But, big gov't politicians have bastardized our system and destroyed the long-accepted limits on federal power so they can get more donations from those with deep pockets.

Prid quo pro

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gavinf56

Dec-22-13 8:58 AM

Yep, sure can.

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 8:55 AM

Actually you forgot the factor of how weather affects profitability of a small farm. Bad weather can wipe out a small farm faster than any of the other things you listed.

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gavinf56

Dec-22-13 8:03 AM

"Most of the people I knew who did farm the small family farms had to take extra job and not part time either in order to keep the farm viable." - CMReeder

..and why would that be Chuck? Do you understand the amount of overhead involved in farming (equipment and upkeep, barn and storage, animal waste containment, adherence to regulations)?

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 7:57 AM

Enigma it is big business intrusion at it's worst.

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