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Industry wins

December 22, 2013

In 2000, the dairy and food "Industry" won a major victory, giving them huge profits and great power over dairy farmers, resulting in the loss of thousands of US dairy farmers and bringing the......

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eriklatranyi

Dec-22-13 4:23 AM

The government that has the power to give dairy farmers handsome profits also has the power to take those profits away.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-22-13 5:53 AM

I don't know of a local farmer who makes a handsome profit. With the costs of equipment, fuel and other expenses, most that I know are just scraping by.

It's my understanding that milk prices, both those paid to the farmer and what it sells for at the market, is held extremely artificially low by the Government.

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 6:18 AM

See this is that competition you all favor. Capitalism at it's finest. Where the big industrialize complexes over shadow and eliminate all their smaller competitors. What the letter doesn't cite is the many the large industrial type dairy farms are not only helped by government but that some of this owners of large dairy farms are actually in our legislative bodies as representatives and senators.

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RFCS12

Dec-22-13 7:05 AM

If the government can control how much a farmer is paid for milk why can't they tell big oil "your getting $30 or $40/barrel"? Does big oil really need multi Billion $ profit? A serious question. Why does heating oil (with no tax on it) cost as much or more than gasoline (with what,50 or 60 cents tax/gal)? Doesn't it take more refining to get gasoline? Just wondering.

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Ritty77

Dec-22-13 7:13 AM

The problem with this kind of thing is intrusive, big government sticking it nose into every industry and every individual's business. More precisely, the problem is the people who vote for this type of government.

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 7:15 AM

The problem is big intrusive companies wanting to be bigger and eliminating any and all competitors any way they can.

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gavinf56

Dec-22-13 7:20 AM

The larger problem for farmers is the fact that many of their children have no desire to take over the family business. Dairy farming is 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Their is no time off. There are no holidays. There is no calling in sick. The cows need milked every single day. 75% of the dairy farms in Penns Valley are now owned and operated by the Amish.

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enigma

Dec-22-13 7:39 AM

"See this is that competition you all favor." - Chuck

What letter were you reading? This is government intrusion at its worst. Did you see how many time the author talked about the 'farm bill'. That's the government Chuck. It the same farm bill that pays farm subsidies to thousands of people in New York City and Chicago. More farm bill money goes to cities than to farmers. That's the government sending money to their friends. This is exactly the big government that you, Chuck and your ilk worship. No Chuck, this is not Capitalism, this is Cronyism, and there's nothing fine about it, but it's what you get with big government.

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fromtheport

Dec-22-13 7:55 AM

Do you people even realize we dony need milk to survive. Dairy farming is a failing buisness model and people that are in the buisness are constantly bailed out year after year. Let most of these farmers die off and go broke the cost of milk increase and then it will be profitable. But remember we do not need milk to survive

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 7:56 AM

Why would children take over a business that will not earn them a livable income?

Most of the people I knew who did farm the small family farms had to take extra job and not part time either in order to keep the farm viable. All they did was work seven days a week, 40 hours or more a week on the outside job the rest at the farm hoping that they would get a break that never came.

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 7:57 AM

Enigma it is big business intrusion at it's worst.

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gavinf56

Dec-22-13 8:03 AM

"Most of the people I knew who did farm the small family farms had to take extra job and not part time either in order to keep the farm viable." - CMReeder

..and why would that be Chuck? Do you understand the amount of overhead involved in farming (equipment and upkeep, barn and storage, animal waste containment, adherence to regulations)?

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 8:55 AM

Actually you forgot the factor of how weather affects profitability of a small farm. Bad weather can wipe out a small farm faster than any of the other things you listed.

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gavinf56

Dec-22-13 8:58 AM

Yep, sure can.

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eriklatranyi

Dec-22-13 9:08 AM

Mr. Reeder said:

'Enigma it is big business intrusion at it's worst."

You are a liar.

Big business would not be able to do this if government did not assist them with legislation stemming from donations.

Keep gov't within its constitutional boundaries and big business would not be allowed to influence it, regardless how much money they spent.

But, big gov't politicians have bastardized our system and destroyed the long-accepted limits on federal power so they can get more donations from those with deep pockets.

Prid quo pro

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 9:27 AM

Eric you just proved that it is big business.

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farmer

Dec-22-13 9:33 AM

May God bless anyone willing to operate a small to medium size dairy farm in this county. I believe there is no question that for the work they put in, they usually get a raw deal. The farm bills of today have very little in common with the original Dust Bowel days. Today 10% of farmers get 74% of the farm subsidies. And 62% of American farmers get no subsidies. (for disclosure purposes, I'm one of the 62%) I for one believe the farm bill is way loaded with waste and fraud, but let's not throw the baby out with the wash water. Right or wrong, we as Americans pay far less for food then anywhere else in the world. 7% vs 20% of our income. Subsidies do help keep that number low. As for subsidies going to wealthy city dwellers, most of this can be attributed to huge agra-business (the 10%ers). Agra-businesses are large corporations,and like most large corporations, they are owned primarily by wealthy stock holders.( no sh.. on their Tony Lamas)

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underwood

Dec-22-13 9:48 AM

It looks like dairy farmers need to join forces and hire a few good lobbyists. The only competition we have in this regulated market is between lobbyists competing to see who can get the most favorable legislation for their clients.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-22-13 10:04 AM

Fromtheport, In my opinion, dairy farming is only a failing business because of the various government regulations regarding the collection and storage of milk and the use of fertilizer and disposition of animal waste, coupled with Government setting the price for the product, that makes it unprofitable. A neighbor had milk cows but had to sell them off because he couldn't afford to upgrade equipment to comply with regulations.

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MrShaman

Dec-22-13 12:42 PM

"If the government can control how much a farmer is paid for milk why can't they tell big oil "your getting $30 or $40/barrel"? - RFCS12

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I'm guessing Big Oil's lobbyi$t$ have MUCH-larger bags o' ("campaign-contribution") ca$h, that the dairy-industry's lobbyi$t$ do.

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MrShaman

Dec-22-13 12:47 PM

"Fromtheport, In my opinion, dairy farming is only a failing business because of the various government regulations regarding the collection and storage of milk and the use of fertilizer and disposition of animal waste, coupled with Government setting the price for the product, that makes it unprofitable." - mikekerstetter

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So, those are our ONLY TWO options, huh...our food can be safe...OR, affordable, huh??

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nobud74

Dec-22-13 1:06 PM

Good comments Farmer. I am not sure what the answer is, but clearly what we are doing is not working and we need to figure out a way to keep our food production in this country. I would encourage everyone to avoid all Chinese food products for themselves and their pets. Bigger, mechanized farming seems to be the way to be profitable. But, this leads to other problems but we are still better off than with Chinese imports. When a gallon of milk costs more than a gallon of soda and a box of processed powdered mac n cheese is far cheaper than a head of lettuce we can see why we are a fat country that is actually undernourished. The trick is how to reverse that so that we become a healthy country.

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enigma

Dec-22-13 1:06 PM

"Eric you just proved that it is big business."-Chuck

Chuck, What you are saying is that the government that you worship is completely helpless. They cannot do the right thing and can only do what they are bribed to do. You are saying that elected officials are evil greedy people, who only care about themselves and what they can get out of their position. If that is what you believe, then why do you want government to have so much power? Your position makes no sense. Are you really that devoid of reason?

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enigma

Dec-22-13 1:15 PM

farmer, You are partially right that we pay less for food than most countries. The price we pay at the store is lower, but only because we pay it in taxes instead. That money is then filtered through an inefficient and corrupt Dept of Agriculture and wasted on people who don't need it, and some gets to where it's supposed to be. It actually ends up costing more. We'd be better off paying the higher price and getting government out of it altogether. I know that's a very unpopular idea, but it's the truth.

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eriklatranyi

Dec-22-13 1:50 PM

The gov't should get out of the food business (except for inspections).

The gov't created this mess...not big business, not small farmers, but politicians.

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