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December 22, 2013

I went to watch a chorus concert at the middle school here in town tonight, I have gone to many such programs to see my children, nieces, nephews and now grandchildren entertain us....

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eriklatranyi

Dec-22-13 4:29 AM

If this girl's skirt was noticeably shorter than the rest, it is understandable the teacher would want to shuffle the seating.

The idea of a dress code for an orchestra or choir is to prevent any one member from "standing out" as it is a group or team event.

There are plenty of sources for assistance in these cases and black slacks could have been found for this student.

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Don521

Dec-22-13 4:44 AM

I can understand you being upset. But just for a moment, think about the teacher, the number of students they were directing, and the possibility of many issues in producing the program. Directing groups of school age children is a real challenge these days I would imagine.

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Capricorn1

Dec-22-13 6:00 AM

It seems to me that these students and their parents probably had plenty of time to be sure they had the proper uniform for this event. Waiting until the last minute to make sure they would be properly dressed is not the fault of the teacher.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-22-13 6:08 AM

We never allowed our daughter to buy short shorts, skirts or dresses. This lady described the skirt as coming to the girl's fingertips. Really? And she thought it was appropriate? For a middle school girl? I stood up and looked to where my fingertips would fall. If I wore something like that I wouldn't be covered, if you get my meaning. Who really thinks it's appropriate for a kid in school to dress like that? Plus the kid was already told she couldn't wear it.

I say kudos to the teacher and shame on the parents who allowed her to dress like that.

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 6:09 AM

The teacher was out of line and was of no help to this student.

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Capricorn1

Dec-22-13 6:50 AM

The teacher was out of line and was of no help to this student. -Reeder

And where does the role of the parent fit into your thinking? Is it now the responsibility of the teacher to make sure students are properly dressed?

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 7:05 AM

What was the parent thinking? She had a white blouse and a black skirt. The teacher is out of line making her an example.

My sis ter has two in middle school and to be honest it would have been very helpful at the beginning of the school year if the teachers would inform parents that there is going to be a required dress code within the school year. Her two kids have tried out for various extra curricular activities and it never fails one or more require a specific item which my sister has to try and locate at the last minute with two boys who are not average or normal size. Not many of the area stores carry size 16 or 18 slim pants for boys let alone in black dress pants. Speaking from experience this teacher is out of line.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-22-13 7:15 AM

You're right Chuck, I guess it's the school's responsibility to tell parents that their middle school girls ought not be buying/wearing attire that makes them look like ladies of the night.

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 7:20 AM

No I think other parents should not be calling another parent's child a lady of the night based on the length of her skirt or attire. I think you should get your mind out of the gutter and quit watching **** on the internet.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-22-13 7:25 AM

CMReeder-"No I think other parents should not be calling another parent's child a lady of the night based on the length of her skirt or attire. I think you should get your mind out of the gutter and quit watching **** on the internet."

Why, does it interfere with old pervs like yourself sitting in the front row looking up those short skirts?

Two can play this game Chuck.

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 7:39 AM

Not playing a game. You are the one passing judgment based on attire and then blaming the parents for it. You judged the girl and her parents based on the length of her skirt. The only pervert here is you.

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Ritty77

Dec-22-13 7:44 AM

Margaret: They love you, Frank.

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Henry: I'd be lying if I said I understood that. I'd also be lying if I said I cared.

Frank: You're asking me to let a pervert out of the Army?!

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Trapper: Anyway, Klinger's not a pervert.

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Trapper: Because I'm one, and he's never at the meetings!

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andy33

Dec-22-13 7:45 AM

Oh Chuck...will U just shut up....go sit in the corner and smoke another doobie!

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gavinf56

Dec-22-13 7:47 AM

Huh, I thought "it takes a village"?

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 7:49 AM

This just goes to show that conservatives truly do not respect individuals or individuality. They respect conformity in all things, a set standard that will not have any deviation at all.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-22-13 7:54 AM

CMReeder-"Not playing a game. You are the one passing judgment based on attire and then blaming the parents for it. You judged the girl and her parents based on the length of her skirt. The only pervert here is you."

Yep, I AM passing judgement. I find it offensive that parents allow, and most times encourage, their young daughters to dress provocatively.

The girl was TOLD in no uncertain terms that she was NOT to wear that short skirt to her middle school performance and did it anyhow. Her parents allowed this to happen the way it did. If the girl had modest clothing it would not have been a problem.

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mikekerstetter

Dec-22-13 7:57 AM

CMReeder-"This just goes to show that conservatives truly do not respect individuals or individuality. They respect conformity in all things, a set standard that will not have any deviation at all."

Says the 'tolerant' liberal. Liberals are tolerant of all things except opinions that disagree with theirs. If you don't agree you're either a bigot or a racist. Tolerant my arse.

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Capricorn1

Dec-22-13 8:01 AM

Chuck, this is not a left or right issue. This is about a dress code that was handed down for this event and expected to be adhered to by the students. The parents of these students were the ones responsible for making sure their child followed the dress code. I went to a catholic school for six years where there was a strict dress code everyday. Parents and students both knew what was expected and abided by the rules. Jeez, much ado about nothing if parents and students would follow directions and prepare ahead of time.

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Tgrammiex4

Dec-22-13 8:08 AM

How sad this event had to turn out this way for this girl.Ultimately, she had no control over the issue, could only wear what was provided for her.Sadder yet is what is available to purchase for teen girls these days.Everything is shorter, suggestive, covers less.It's hard to find respectable clothing for teen girls these days.The industry needs to stop producing these types of clothing or at least offer some more modest styles.Parents need to stop buying the skimpier clothes for thier girls and send a message to manufacturers.

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CaveFelem

Dec-22-13 8:09 AM

I'd like to point something out. The student in question may have no money of her own. She may have told her parent or guardian she needed a particular clothing item for this event, and they ignored her. She tried to borrow something appropriate, but failed.

I understand there are rules that must be followed. I think there's more to the story than we know. We don't know the student's home life circumstance, so let's not judge her too harshly.

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Capricorn1

Dec-22-13 8:21 AM

Cave, I'm not blaming the student, I'm blaming the parents where the blame belongs. Sorry I find it difficult to believe that the parents of this one student did not have the means to find an appropriate outfit for this event. The letter should have been directed at the parents, not the teacher.

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farmer

Dec-22-13 8:40 AM

I think we are missing the point here. This is a 12 or 13 year old girl apparently trying to do her best. She makes good grades, she's on the honor roll, and she is in chorus. She saw what she had, told the teacher,and attempted to barrow a skirt. I would assume with all this she also must have told he parents of the problem. Some where between her parents (first) and her teacher (second) and maybe even her friends, there was surly a remedy for this young lady's dilemma.

I do believe it takes a village. And in this case the village failed her.

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CMReeder

Dec-22-13 8:47 AM

Yes and five were in skirts just as short but the teacher made an example of this one girl. Teacher is out of line and conservatives are not tolerant and very judgmental.

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hopeforfuture

Dec-22-13 8:54 AM

I mentally began to count, 1, 2, 3, maybe even 4 or 5 girls had a hem length that was above the knees seemingly about fingertip length.-Donna

I agree with you and I would go further I would suggest that if the girl lived on Vallamont Drive she would have been given a solo. Anything to disgrace those who do not have all the extras. This girl is probably scared for life. Put the poor in their place.

GO WILLIAMSPORT my home town.

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Tgrammiex4

Dec-22-13 9:06 AM

Yes and five were in skirts just as short but the teacher made an example of this one girl. Teacher is out of line and conservatives are not tolerant and very judgmental. -Reeder

Mr. Reeder, thats not it at all.It's not a R-L thing. Don't they have dress rehearsals for these things anymore? It could have been adressed then.Not all parents have the disposable income to run right out and purchase things like this. You run into the same with school sports, needed equip. and special clothing. Not all parents can afford it.Not all parents care.With all the fundraisers etc. the schools have they could have purchased appropriate skirts for any of the girls who needed them, or just stuck with slacks and eliminated the problem.Poorly handled from all involved. In the end, the only one hurt was this poor girl.

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