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Ruling allows municipalities to regulate drilling

December 20, 2013

HARRISBURG (AP) — The highest court in Pennsylvania, heart of the country’s natural gas drilling boom, on Thursday struck down significant portions of a law that limited the power of local......

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-22-13 7:39 PM

BornHere,

Thanks for the info. That works pretty well in a more temperate climate. My neighbor across the street also put in similar sounding solar panel system for electricity but his payout was going to take many years. During hotter days, he still needs supplemental power for running a/c units and he and his wife are work during the day instead of being at home. Also for heating, he still has to run natural gas.

Yes do has a Merry Christmas.

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BornHere

Dec-22-13 12:26 PM

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Texas. We are heading to our daughters for a week and then back to sunny Florida, take care.

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BornHere

Dec-22-13 12:24 PM

Lets see if I can answer your questions.

Car. 2013 Ford Focus, I get around 96 mile range. It costs me $42.00 a month to use charging stations in the US. It takes 4 hrs to charge on 240 volt we have a power source in the garage for charging which I do at night. FPL charge me $14.37 to become a customer, I trade solar power that I generate during the day, to charge my car and for the home lights, it is called Grid Energy Storage and it is all free to me. I have no idea what the car is made of that is a question for my husband.

House. Well water powered by panels. Storage power, Thermal Mass Storage, water concrete and stone. I use a corn stove on the colder nights. I have no idea what the panels are made of. I cool the house with air handlers that push the air out of each room thru vents and since the house is in Florida heating it is not a big concern.

FPL uses wind and gas to generate electricity but from what I have been told in 2014 they will be using more wind power.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-21-13 3:58 PM

"My husband and myself we are off the grid, husband and myself we are off the grid,...."

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It sounds like you have done a lot of good things to reduce your energy consumption and be more environmentally friendly but are you really off the grid? You need to plug in the electric car and run the water well; are they done from the solar panel or the electric utility provider? What is your solar energy power storage system......batteries, hot water, both? Do you have lights that run off batteries or the power company? Do you have back-up electrical utility power, generator, or fuel oil or wood stoves when it is cloudy for several days? Was fossil fuel used in manufacturing the solar panels and electric car? Does your power company use coal, natural gas to generate power if you are tied into it? What is the range on your electric car and what do you do when you take longer trips?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-21-13 3:40 PM

5. "Stop issuing gag orders and buying victims silence." Are you going to be fair in applying this to all other industries, governmental agencies, medical hospital/doctor/drug settlements, injury settlements, etc. A settlement is not a declaration of guilt; many times it is done to reduce costs or the person filing a lawsuit realizes that can not win in a court but are willing to get something out of the deal. If they had strong enough case, why not ride the horse to the finish.

6. "Stop lying to the public about the negative sides of these businesses, people are not blind." -->Too general to respond to. I have tried to be honest whenever I talk about these things.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-21-13 3:39 PM

4. "Better ways of recycling Frack waters so our drinking waters are not depleted." --definitely a good idea. Much of this is in progress and getting better. I would even advocate using treated water from waste water plants if there was adequate supplies of good water. Of course, it may need to be treated with biocides so that bacteria doesn't grow in the water and lead to undesirable consequences down hole in wells.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-21-13 3:38 PM

3. "Better ways of dealing with the disposal of Fracking Fluids." --> what would you propose? I agree that there are some unscrupulous truck drivers that have dumped frack fluid on properties or down streams and these people need to be dealt with. The far vast majority O&G companies don't advocate this. There have been many improvements in recycling water and they should only be disposed in regulated, permitted sites.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-21-13 3:37 PM

2. "Better controls on air pollution." --> Air emissions are calculated and permits are generally filed when they meet certain thresholds; equipment needs to meet latest available technology. Where it makes sense and where possible, electric motors are used. Process equipment is designed to minimize emissions and releases. Emissions are modeled. Ongoing emissions monitoring of equipment is performed. Again, I ask you what better controls exist to put on equipment?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-21-13 3:36 PM

Cont>>

estimate water usage for the life of the house, including watering a garden, grass or trees. You would have to calculate the impacts to the sanitary waste systems including pollutants that your body would discharge into the water systems. You would have to predict how much pollutants like bleach, soaps, detergents you would put down the wast water system. You would have to do an archeological assessment, you would have to do a biological assessment with endangered species. You would have to have a plan so that you don't impact migratory birds during the nesting season. You would have to identify and avoid wetlands. You would have to model water drainage including what comes off your roof. You may need to put in retention ponds and test the water to ensure no pollutants are in it before you discharge the water. You would have to prove that you are using the latest available technology on all emissions sources.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-21-13 3:35 PM

The Halliburton Loophole must be eliminated, our waters must be protected." -->What benefit is there to having the EPA approve drills permits? State regulatory agencies already perform that function. They ensure that companies design wellbores and drill wells to protect fresh water through proven standard procedures and processes. The only reason people want the EPA involved is because they know they are a road block to slow if not almost stop activity. How would you like it if you were going to build a house and the EPA was involved; it would take 18 a 24 mos to get a permit it. You would have to estimate how many people and vehicles and construction equipment (with accompanying CO2, VOC and particulate matter emissions) would be expended to build it. You would have to estimate emissions from your heater, hot water heater, electrical consumption, fireplace. You would have to model the emissions sources to see how they impacted your neighbors. You would have to estima

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BornHere

Dec-21-13 11:02 AM

This is what I would propose.

1. The Halliburton Loophole must be eliminated, our waters must be protected.

2. Better controls on air pollution.

3. Better ways of dealing with the disposal of Fracking Fluids.

4. Better ways of recycling Frack waters so our drinking waters are not depleted.

5. Stop issuing gag orders and buying victims silence.

6. Stop lying to the public about the negative sides of these businesses, people are not blind.

My husband and myself we are off the grid, we live in a passive solar home and we drive an electric car and we have well water, I grow our food and my meats come from local farmers and from hunting and fishing. I recycle and compost our garbage for my gardens.

So I would say we are pretty much self sustained, we provide for our own needs that is the way I was raised.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-21-13 7:55 AM

BornHere,

There are lots of risks in the O&G business and there have been lots of improvements in technology, training and attitudes over the years to prevent these things from occurring. The new stuff going in is superior in the terms of better engineered solutions, better construction practices, real time monitoring methods, improved mechanical integrity assessment methods, better maintenance and operations, better regulations for notifications to prevent potential external damage from others that dig in the ground; all as a result of past failures and learnings. Improvements are taking place.

What are you proposing? A complete moratorium on all fossil fuel manufacturing and consumption in the state or US? If so, have you stopped your consumption?

I think gas well drilling can coexist in the PA environment. Improved engineering practices, good training, environment awareness, and good regulations/enforcement are part of the solution.

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BornHere

Dec-21-13 6:37 AM

I got an e-mail last night from a friend of mine who read this article, it's about environmental destruction.

See- "What a year: 45 Fossil Fuel Disasters The Industry Doesn't Want You to Know About." ClimateProgress Dec. 17, 2013

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northerntier

Dec-20-13 11:08 PM

"So what does this really mean?" It doesn't mean the dire consequences in the FUD list (fear, uncertainty, and doubt)are actually going to happen. It does mean that municipalities will be able to - if they wish - impose some zoning restrictions to protect residents' housing property values and health, and the environment. And, while I'm not confident it will actually happen, it could mean that the state government will stop relying on the O/G industry to solve its budget problems.

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rick424

Dec-20-13 10:36 PM

Yes Texas so am I. All for the greed of money.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-20-13 9:43 PM

So what does this really mean?

Will Act 13 monies no longer be collected and dispersed to counties and communities? Or at least not to the communities that don't allow drilling/pipelines?

Will private landowners not be allowed to lease their property and get the royalities or allowed to get paid for a pipeline easement on their property?

Will these landowners sue the municipalities for lost revenues because their property can not be developed?

Will drilling wells be considered industrial/manufacturing and be allowed in non-residentially zoned areas?

For those flood zone areas in towns, will their residential zoning be changed and then drilling would be allowed?

Will municipalities prevent UGI from hooking up a residential natural gas pipeline customer?

Curious to see where this will lead.

Don't forget, there is directional drilling.

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BornHere

Dec-20-13 7:59 PM

Mayflower Arkansas, The Deepwater Horizon Spill, Chesapeake contaminating drinking water for 16 families in Bradford County, surface spills, failed pipelines, leaks at pits, air pollution, water pollution, high levels of radiation found in creeks and rivers from drilling wastewater, depleting aquifers of drinking water, explosions, blowouts, and if more information is needed visit the DEP's gas drilling violations database to see more damages cased by these industries.

So erik if you would define to me what environmental destruction is because I was taught in college it pertains to water, air and soil.

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eriklatranyi

Dec-20-13 6:21 PM

BornHere said:

"Pennsylvania belongs to the people not the Oil and Gas industries, it is their responsibility to keep the environment safe for future generations."

I totally agree with this. The people need to stop depending on the government.

However, I am still waiting for all the environmental destruction that is taking place to be proven.

Until then, you are crying wolf.

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eriklatranyi

Dec-20-13 6:20 PM

Judgeandjury:

And you spout the paid opinion of the environmentalists who have been caught lying about the industry numerous times and who have engaged in violence and vandalism against industry property.

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BornHere

Dec-20-13 1:19 PM

I have spoken with lifelong Republican's and War Veterans who are now opposing these industries this is no longer a "liberal thing" it has become a "people thing".

The people I have spoken with are tired of seeing these industries do whatever they want and using MONEY to get whatever they want at other peoples expense.

Pennsylvania belongs to the people not the Oil and Gas industries, it is their responsibility to keep the environment safe for future generations.

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Judgeandjury

Dec-20-13 1:00 PM

And now, for the paid for opinion of the industry, ErikLatranyi. Always good for either an industry talking point or an uninformed opinion. In this case it was an uninformed opinion mixed with a little sour grapes. Believe or not Erik, most people are moral and ethical folks who do not pray at the alter of the almighty money. You are in the minority with your flexible ethics and lack of morals.

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TheMoe

Dec-20-13 10:19 AM

Scarnati(Brockway) is on the side of the drillers. I hope his district voters remember this when he comes up for re election. As for The governor, "You're history". You've always favored the industry over the people and I won't be surprised that you will go to work for them, like Ex Mayor Wolf, when you are voted out. At last, the people won the right, they own, to protect their land.

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MisMac

Dec-20-13 9:12 AM

On the contrary, hope, this is one of the most progressive things Pa has done in a long time. Vermont and New York should be proud of us. I know I am, for once. Merry Christmas is right!

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eriklatranyi

Dec-20-13 8:15 AM

I do support more local control, but we all know why this lawsuit was filed.....not to protect the environment, but to use the environment as an excuse to make it more difficult to drill for natural gas and oil.

But, the industry will have the last laugh as such obstacles will be created by liberals. Those liberals will fold when the industry places equipment and pays rent to friends of those liberals.

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BornHere

Dec-20-13 7:27 AM

Merry Christmas everyone!!!

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