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Heroin takes toll on region

December 22, 2013

Within minutes after injecting heroin inside a public rest room at a business in South Williamsport, the young father was arrested and taken to borough police headquarters to be processed....

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eriklatranyi

Dec-22-13 4:13 AM

A study about a decade ago said that over 70% of all crimes (theft, robbery, etc. were related to drug users stealing to support their habit)

In the UK, theft is at epidemic levels, with most going unreported due to the futility of prosecution.

This is the danger of decriminalization alone. The addicts will not decline or go away...they will grow in number and will need to support their habit.

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Saucer

Dec-22-13 6:20 AM

Users like the young man in this article need to be placed in rehab at a reasonable cost instead of jail.

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Capricorn1

Dec-22-13 6:23 AM

I read a good article the other day that explained one of the reasons this drug is so prevalent today. We had a whole generation that got addicted to prescription pain killers that went unchecked for decades by doctors and the police and once they did notice the epidemic and started cracking down on doctor shopping and over prescribing, these addicts turned to her oin as their drug of choice because it gives a similar opiate high. The war in Afghanistan also has made this drug more available and cheaper because the U.S. government for years turned a blind eye to poppy production in order to gain trust and intelligence from farmers. I agree with you Erik, I don't think decriminalization or legalization is the answer. I still believe that a lot more resources needs to be placed on education, rehabilitation and counseling. It simply comes down to supply and demand and we have to concentrate just as much in lessening the demand as we do the supply.

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Capricorn1

Dec-22-13 6:28 AM

BTW, there was an armed robbery late last night downtown at the Pizza Hut next to Rite Aid. If apprehended, I'm sure we will find out that this too was drug related.

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fromtheport

Dec-22-13 7:48 AM

Yeah cap the guy was probably trying to steal 2 large pepperoni pizzas and a bottle of cola in exchange for ******

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DocWoody

Dec-22-13 8:44 AM

Capricorn 1 is definitely right. The decline of *********and an increase in ****** was anticipated. The problem in Wmspt is you have soooo many living there from Phila that have extensive drug histories, Wmspt is devoid of having jobs for these people so they have to survive in a way they know how. Is it an epidemic? No, not yet. Will it become one, definitely!! How do you stop it? First the lack of law enforcement manpower. Secondly drug education using evidence based substance abuse programs in ALL schools not just a few. Harsher sentences for dealers. Everyone KNOWS where it's coming from so law enforcement needs to me more diligent with that knowledge. Get State Police, DEA, all local law enforcement at the table, make a plan, share info, do a huge bust and in a very short time it will start all over again. The Phila people know that Wmspt is 'ripe' for people who need that 'escape' because most of the users are poverty level and would steal from their mother to get a fix.

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PSUBIKER

Dec-22-13 8:57 AM

I might be a little naive about the youthful jargon, but it seems this is what is meant by "walking dead/zombies." Drug addicts are little more than that.

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eriklatranyi

Dec-22-13 9:01 AM

Saucer said:

"Users like the young man in this article need to be placed in rehab at a reasonable cost instead of jail."

The man does not even care about the pain he is giving his children. What makes you think he is ready for rehab?

Putting him there would be a massive waste of money.

Spend those resources on those who have made the decision to WANT rehab.

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LaughIn

Dec-22-13 9:16 AM

DocWoody- excellent post

Phil Holmes- why did you not interview the Williamsport Police Chief?

What is with this newspaper? Good reporting involves more than one angle, not the editors opinion. Maybe, the editors are this newspapers problem!

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spike2

Dec-22-13 9:44 AM

Actually erik, we have to differentiate between decriminalizing and manged dispensation. A free drugs for all would surely create more addicts, the ability to purchase indiscriminate would cause crime. Managed dosing keeps an addict asymptomatic. The symptoms of withdrawal keep the addict seeking more and more. Prison is not the answer and one -size fits all is not the treatment answer.

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Shirly

Dec-22-13 10:13 AM

I suspect the very last paragraph of the article contains the key to the solution..."Solomon echoed those very thoughts when he said: "These dealers have no conscience whatsoever. It's all about making money and moving product. They have no compassion for human life." In order to kill a snake you cut off its head and this poisonous snake is destroying our beautiful valley. Go after the head, get the dealers, put THEM in prison, hound them the heck out of here!

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mfross

Dec-22-13 10:26 AM

Makes me wonder if Dexter was sick at all.

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MrShaman

Dec-22-13 12:23 PM

"In order to kill a snake you cut off its head and this poisonous snake is destroying our beautiful valley. Go after the head, get the dealers, put THEM in prison, hound them the heck out of here!" - Shirly

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I'm sure the people, who'll fill-IN for those busted-dealers, will appreciate your efforts!!!

You REALLY want to kill the "snake"?? Start packin' for Afghanistan. It'd "probably" be a pretty-good idea not to mention (to the CIA) why you're there.

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See:

Bush Will Not Stop Afghan Opium Trade...Surprise ... - Yahoo Groups

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CaveFelem

Dec-22-13 12:42 PM

Sham, Bush hasn't been president for a few years now. What is Obama doing to stop the opium trade in Afghanistan?

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eriklatranyi

Dec-22-13 1:47 PM

Spike:

While I agree, you cannot control an addict without some form of incarceration.

You can give them a managed dose and they will seek more on the streets.

That has been tried.

Such treatment only works if the addict truly wants to be free of the noose around their neck....but that is rare with hero-in.

Education is a big part of this, not incarceration.

Putting addicts in prison only teaches them the skills they need to support their habit.

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spike2

Dec-22-13 2:27 PM

erik - actually not. many seem to be doing well at the methadone clinic. I assume we are only talking about her oin. You won't find too many who don't want to be free at some point.You should call the clinic and ask some questions. Again, West Branch does a great job with those seeking the traditional in-patient treatment.

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Netwarrior

Dec-22-13 2:36 PM

This drug and its users has become such a cancer to soceity and a drain on our tax payers. There is no logical way of dealing with this problem so maybe we should start thinking outside the box a little. These people are the sc-um of the earth. The williamsport ER gets so many overdoses. Its pretty much a daily occurance and many times the perps are repeat offenders. They bring them in, place a tube in their airway, and administer drugs that reverse the effect of her0in and they usually wake right up. Every once in a while help seems to have come too late though. Almost all of them sign themselves out of treatment to right back out to use again. Maybe we should just deny treatment.

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Millwe

Dec-22-13 4:26 PM

First, I would like to state that I disagree and I do not think that addicts are the scum of the earth. They are ill, in need of medical intervention. Bet if netwarrior had a loved one suffering from this malady his choice of words, and thinking, might change. Speaking of massive wastes of money...what, if anything, is done differently while we wage this war on drugs locally? A Drug Task Force (does it even really exist) now under the DA's office is getting more funding. For what? What will be done with that funding? I do not like drug dealers. To profit from making people sick is the real scum. Nothing makes any sense to me anymore.....is it harder to worker undercover now than it used to be? Why aren't CI's used anymore? There are lots of people in jail wanting to get out...fines to pay, etc. etc. Nobody can get them to talk????

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localgal

Dec-22-13 9:17 PM

Do you not believe that every ****** user knows exactly what they're getting into? They know but the escape is far more appealing than the reality many are living in. Users come from all walks of life, wealthy, poor, educated, talented, and those whose life is merely existing. Educate about the drug or educate about the inner turmoil that brings a person to this point? Until you've walked in someone's shoes becareful how you judge them. Yes, a user will take food from a babies mouth without remorse. The craving is that strong that nothing else matters.

Don't ever think it won't happen to your son/daughter/brother/sister/father/mother. Don't ever be so misguided to think your family is above this.

I will bet there are local officials who use, people you would never suspect use. It is everywhere and if you think you don't know a user you are kidding yourself.

The question remains what to do about it. Dealers - 1 strike your out. Done. No plea deals, no cushy accomod

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localgal

Dec-22-13 9:27 PM

Spend some of the grant money putting into place CIs. Law enforcement has a pretty good idea where this crap is coming from...hit it hard, fast and furious. Working for a dealer? 1 strike. in between guy, 1 strike. they know who they are working for.

Rehab? ha. serious rehab comes at an astronomical cost. A user cannot be helped simply by being mandated, they have to want the help. Not convinced the facilities we have locally are what heavy users need. But, who will foot the bill for top notch rehab?

It is a vicious cycle society is in. It will only get uglier unless the supply and supplier is taken out.

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MrShaman

Dec-23-13 5:25 AM

"Sham, Bush hasn't been president for a few years now. What is Obama doing to stop the opium trade in Afghanistan?" - CaveFelem

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I guess financing War (with drugs) has become (what "conservatives" refer-to as) a "traditional-value".

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See:

Archive - Guns, Drugs, And The Cia | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS

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CaveFelem

Dec-23-13 6:27 AM

OK, let's come back to the present, Sham. Frontline's "Guns, Drugs, and the CIA" was produced in 1988, 25 years ago, according to my search on PBS's website.

This is 2013. Obama has been president since January 2009.

Again, what has the Obama administration done since January 2009 to slow down or eradicate poppy farming in Afghanistan?

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Steelman

Dec-23-13 7:43 AM

Again, what has the Obama administration done since January 2009 to slow down or eradicate poppy farming in Afghanistan? CaveFelem Obama is doing the same thing Shaman does, skirt the issue, blame it on others and do nothing.

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MrShaman

Dec-23-13 8:11 AM

"I guess financing War (with drugs) has become (what "conservatives" refer-to as) a "traditional-value". - MrShaman

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See:

Archive - Guns, Drugs, And The Cia | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS

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"OK, let's come back to the present, Sham. Frontline's "Guns, Drugs, and the CIA" was produced in 1988, 25 years ago, according to my search on PBS's website." - CaveFelem

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That WOULD be my point!!

How "perceptive" of you!!

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MrShaman

Dec-23-13 8:17 AM

"Again, what has the Obama administration done since January 2009 to slow down or eradicate poppy farming in Afghanistan? CaveFelem Obama is doing the same thing Shaman does, skirt the issue, blame it on others and do nothing." - Steelman

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As-long-as we're IN Afghanistan, I don't see a whole lot changing.

Much like the Golden Triangle (during 'Nam)...bu$ine$$ is bu$ine$$...especially where there's a "capitalistic"-Country involved.

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See:

CIA Narco-Colonialism in the 20th Century - Angelfire

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