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Surprising changes

December 28, 2013

Lower taxes, reduce government spending, and don't trust Harrisburg to handle taxpayer money. These are three economic articles of faith for Pennsylvania Republicans....

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gavinf56

Dec-29-13 3:55 PM

Actually Chuck, that is what nearly everyone but you thinks.

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CMReeder

Dec-29-13 3:41 PM

Actually Phil doesn't do that but if that is what you believe go ahead.

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DavidBross

Dec-29-13 11:38 AM

Chuck, I appreciate the support, but I was ok with Phil's post. I am left of Phil and that didn't stop him from separating quality of expression from the content of what was expressed. I admire that and hope I follow his example more in the future.

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CMReeder

Dec-29-13 11:06 AM

"I’ve always considered David’s letters and comments to be thoughtful and well written, but from a leftist perspective."

A Leftist, how nice of you.

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CMReeder

Dec-29-13 9:17 AM

Republicans have always taken advantage of rifts within the Democratic party, they still do they even add fuel to fire.

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CMReeder

Dec-29-13 9:13 AM

"That division has existed as long as I’ve been politically aware; it’s just that now the extremist Democrats are using it to try and make themselves look mainstream and anyone to the right of center extreme." -Phil Underwood

LOL

Like that isn't happening at all within the Republican ranks, apparently you approve of the extremism of the conservatives which caused a backlash from republican leaders and has cause a large rift within the Republican party. They have had enough of the Tea Party.

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CMReeder

Dec-29-13 9:09 AM

"It’s not a Democrat or Republican thing it’s a government thing. Only blind partisans blame parties."

So how do explain why you blame the left all the time. Don't say you don't either. You continually write letters about how awful the left is in government.

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Ritty77

Dec-28-13 11:10 PM

"Side, it appears that you believe all Republicans should support the same big government philosophy as Democrats and if not they’re right wing extremists. Some of us believe Republicans ought to function as opponents of Democrats."

Exactly. Well said, Phil.

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underwood

Dec-28-13 4:42 PM

That division has existed as long as I’ve been politically aware; it’s just that now the extremist Democrats are using it to try and make themselves look mainstream and anyone to the right of center extreme.

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gavinf56

Dec-28-13 4:09 PM

What's interesting is that you only hear about this "grand division" within the Republican Party from the left wing talking heads.

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underwood

Dec-28-13 3:04 PM

Side, the reason Democrats are on the same page is because they purged themselves of the moderates that were left in the party. The moderates either left or moved to the left and became extremists like their leaders.

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underwood

Dec-28-13 2:03 PM

Side, it appears that you believe all Republicans should support the same big government philosophy as Democrats and if not they’re right wing extremists. Some of us believe Republicans ought to function as opponents of Democrats.

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sideliner

Dec-28-13 1:42 PM

Cap, what I am saying is that there appears to be a deep ideological divide within the party, the extreme hard-righters and Tea Partiers highjacking it. Look at the government shutdown debacle. I don't believe the majority of the party wanted to see that ridiculous move played out like it was, but it did anyway.

Boehner and others are finally seeing the damage those extremists are doing to the party and are wisely backing away from them.

I do not agree with all Democratic policy. I am truly disappointed with Obama and his bending to the right, lack of transparency, and loss of backbone I have seen over his tenure.

Maybe I am mistaken, but ideologically, I believe Democrats are pretty much on the same page. I do not see that with the Republican party where there seems to be a war over what "true conservatism" is and and vicious and brutal attacks on those, even of their own, who do not conform.

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underwood

Dec-28-13 12:58 PM

I’ve always considered David’s letters and comments to be thoughtful and well written, but from a leftist perspective. The cost of government is a subject that transcends party partisanship. Topics like increased taxes of any kind should be discussed in a non-partisan manner.

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DavidBross

Dec-28-13 12:37 PM

Cap and Gavin, good point about the legislator versus all Republicans. I should have been clearer in the letter. I didn't show the final draft to my spouse/editor. I won't do that again.

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hopeforfuture

Dec-28-13 12:11 PM

Although I don't agree with the gas tax this is a tax from the state and not the federal government. Last time I thought about the dem's they liked the federal government to handle all the taxing. If the states had more say the taxes could be used for state issues and not be forced by the federal government to comply to the the 'great one' and his take over of the nation.

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gavinf56

Dec-28-13 11:18 AM

David, thanks for the clarification.

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Capricorn1

Dec-28-13 11:16 AM

Thanks for the clarification David. It might have been clearer if you would have stated republican legislators across the state and not just republicans. Like I stated in my earlier comment, I too would have supported this legislation if they could have shown what they have done to tighten their belts in that department to ensure the reduction of waste, fraud and abuse. Throwing more money at a department will not fix those problems and with the long history of poor roads and bridges in this state and the billions already collected, I would think this would be the first step.

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enigma

Dec-28-13 11:14 AM

David is such a good liberal. Notice how well he twists his own words when caught in lies and hypocrisy. It takes a good deal of thought to try and make your obvious lies look like the truth. If only he would spent half of that energy actually looking for the truth, he might be useful in the cause of the people, but he will just continue to be a party hack and one of the reasons the government is seeing such success in taking away our freedom.

BTW, that goes for party line hacks on both sides of the aisle.

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DavidBross

Dec-28-13 11:12 AM

Many more LTEs support Republican / conservative points of view than support Democrat / liberal points of view. And that's fine. But, it makes for very comfortable reading for the first group. It also makes letters like mine more of a jolt because they don't fit the usual pattern.

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DavidBross

Dec-28-13 11:03 AM

"David knows that no Republican believes that government should not build and maintain roads." Very true. But you would never have known this if you listened to the campaign rhetoric of the last Presidential election and Corbett's campaign.

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DavidBross

Dec-28-13 11:01 AM

1. I haven't spoken with Republicans around the state. But, I have read reactions by Republican legislators regarding the bill. And locally, Yaw and Matteo, two staunch opponents of increased taxes, love this bill. 2. Very few ideas are ever unanimously supported by party members from which it originated. This was a Republican sponsored bill and the Republicans own their support of it. Now, unlike the ACA, there was bipartisan support for the transportation bill. And, while I too, wonder how well the money already collected for roads has been spent, I support this bill. 3. My point in the letter was to show Corbett's abandoning major principles of his party and how others in his party followed suit. 4. I have pointed out similar events for the Democrats. My last letter made no bones about Obama lying about keeping one's healthcare if they liked it.

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Capricorn1

Dec-28-13 10:55 AM

Enigma and Phil, that is exactly what I have been commenting on since this bill was first introduced. BEFORE throwing more money at a program, why not have an outside agency look at that department and see if policy changes can be made, and how to reduce the waste, fraud and abuse. Perhaps if this was done only half the additional money would be required. They audited the turnpike commission and found millions of dollars in waste. They are getting ready to cut the DOD 1 trillion dollars over the next ten years and department wide audits are being conducted to reduce the waste, fraud and abuse. This should be a mandatory requirement for all government programs BEFORE any additional money is allotted.

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enigma

Dec-28-13 10:26 AM

This is the most disingenuous letter we've seen in quite some time. David knows that no Republican believes that government should not build and maintain roads. If he paid attention, he would also know that Republicans are not unanimous in support for the higher gas tax. Most Republicans, though not necessarily the ones in the legislature, believe that rather than raising taxes, we should have reduced waste. I'm now waiting for David to point out all of the hypocrisy of the Democrats..., but I won't hold my breath.

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underwood

Dec-28-13 10:26 AM

Fuel taxes for maintaining and building roads and bridges is quite proper as those that use the roads and bridges are paying for them; that is assuming the taxes actually go for maintaining and building the roads and bridges. What is missing is an accounting of where the fuel taxes collected actually go. My guess is it ends up in the general fund and pays for many things that have nothing to do with maintaining and repairing roads and bridges.

It’s not a Democrat or Republican thing it’s a government thing. Only blind partisans blame parties.

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