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Happy Holidays

December 31, 2013

I think it would be nice if, during this season, each of us felt free to express our feelings of good will toward each other the way we really wanted to and each of us accepted the good will......

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BornHere

Jan-02-14 3:18 PM

Mr. Bross, please don't stop posting on here I enjoy reading what you have to say. You remind me of a professor I had in college who taught Business Law he made learning enjoyable so much I aced his class for 2 years.

Besides you have actually taught me a few things so please reconsider leaving.

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FortySixand2

Jan-02-14 11:09 AM

Happy Festivus! Season Greetings! Yuletide Cheer! Winter Solstice! Merry Kwanzaa! I'm just getting warmed up for Faux New's "War on Christmas 2014"!!!

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DavidBross

Jan-01-14 11:10 PM

I think the time has come for me to do other things than post on this forum for a while. I no longer feel I have the patience to respond in a civil fashion to many of the opinions I frequently encounter on this forum. Especially those related to Phil Robertson. He is an ignorant arrogant fool and will only end up casting mud on the faces of those who admire him.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-01-14 9:39 PM

The Christianophobic people realize they need to squelch the gospel message of love so they attack the messenger, they take things out of context, they don't look at the whole picture, and they spin things.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-01-14 9:28 PM

"But, overall, he is an example of someone who has a very narrow view of the world and makes whatever he comes in contact with, fit that narrow view."--DavidBross

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Like Mike I agree, you have generally been reasonable on not judging others and gathering information to look at a more complete picture, even offering the non-standard liberal v. conservative arguments. But with the word selection that you provided here, ie "narrow view", these seem to be the code words for the Christianophobic people who don't believe in one way to heaven through Jesus Christ that the Bible portrays. These pople are trying to take his message of love and salvation that Jesus Christ offers and turn it into a message of hate. In his book, Phil talks about multiple public engagements where he has presented God's message of hope and love, individual one-on-one cases where he has lead people to Jesus, multiple examples of baptisms on his property, and multiple weddings on his land. T

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DavidBross

Jan-01-14 5:51 PM

"They were all collectively poor and their situations weren't the best," Their lives were not the same. Blacks were limited in terms of educational and economic opportunities opportunities, not to mention inequities when dealing with the law. Things were separate, but not equal. Regarding faith. My comments are directed at Robertson's assertion that the Japanese and Germans committed atrocities because they didn't have Jesus. I pointed out the ignorance of history in that comment and the arrogance associated with it, by pointing out that people commit atrocities, with and without Jesus and have been for thousands of years. If you agree with Robertson, then yes, I think you are ignorant and arrogant. If you don't agree with him, then I don't.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-01-14 5:00 PM

I also think that a lot that is wrong with our country has to do with the bankrupt moral bank because we've turned away from Christ. I find that offensive that you would consider me me ignorant and arrogant because that is my belief.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-01-14 4:58 PM

DavidBross-"They had to deal with the short end of the stick while Robertson was looking at them from the long end of the stick. For me, that is an example of ignorance and arrogance."

How so? It seems to me that they were both working with the same stick. It still seems to me that you are trying to put some sort of prejudice there that didn't then and doesn't today exist.

I know this may be hard to understand, but one can be happy in bad situations. That is what I see Phil trying to convey. They were all collectively poor and their situations weren't the best, but they were happy, Godly people. I don't see what is wrong with having that opinion.

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DavidBross

Jan-01-14 2:39 PM

Robertson also said that the Japanese and Germans killed millions of people because they didn't have Jesus. He overlooked WWI and he didn't include Northern Ireland where exceptional brutality was committed by folks on both sides. Each of whom thought they were Christians following God's will. We could also include the American Civil War, and the atrocities committed by some of our troops in Vietnam. Having, or not having Jesus, is not the certain indicator of how people behave as Robertson thinks. To me it takes ignorance and arrogance to make the statement he did regarding the Japanese and Germans.

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DavidBross

Jan-01-14 2:33 PM

His observation of black people he worked with speaks to the maturity of those people who were making the best of a bad situation. They had to deal with the short end of the stick while Robertson was looking at them from the long end of the stick. For me, that is an example of ignorance and arrogance.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-01-14 1:22 PM

DavidBross-"Mike, he may have worked along side them, but, when the work day was over, Robertson had much more freedom of movement and opportunity than any of the blacks had with whom he worked."

What does that have to do with the fact that his observation was that the black folks he worked with seemed like happy, Godly folks? Usually I find that you are one of the more thoughtful liberal leaning people here, but in this case you are interjecting thoughts and meaning into that simple statement that just isn't there.

Ignorant and arrogant? Obviously we aren't observing the same person or you're looking for reasons to discredit him.

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DavidBross

Jan-01-14 12:12 PM

Mike, he may have worked along side them, but, when the work day was over, Robertson had much more freedom of movement and opportunity than any of the blacks had with whom he worked. Texas, I have read some of Robertson's quotes from his book and from public speaking. He is an ignorant and arrogant person who has been given a public forum from which to advertise his shortcomings. Now, he firmly believes what he says, and is willing to take heat for his beliefs. That certainly is in his favor. But, overall, he is an example of someone who has a very narrow view of the world and makes whatever he comes in contact with, fit that narrow view. He reminds of people who can't understand that you don't know what they know and who have no interest in things you know that they don't.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-01-14 9:21 AM

"Robertson did say that blacks were happier in pre-civil rights days."--David Bross

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I agree with Mike, I don't interpreted the comments way you do. I don't see the words "pre-civil rights days" as part of a question preceding his remark nor part of Phil's remark. It appears to be a comment the author of the GQ article added; for whatever reason I don't know.

Also in Phil's comment, he was comparing the happiness of the blacks that he personally knew when he was young with the generality of one's that are on the modern day welfare and entitlement programs.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-01-14 8:16 AM

DavidBross-"He also advocates marrying girls when they are 15- or 16."

Not quite accurate and taken out of context, of course. He was telling his story of marrying Miss Kay and added the other comments as a bit of humor as most people do in conversation.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-01-14 8:05 AM

David Bross-"Robertson did say that blacks were happier in pre-civil rights days."

Phil Robertson-“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once,” he said. “Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field … They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

I don't read his comments the same way you are reading them. I see it as him talking about his experience growing up poor right along side black people and being happy in your (their) situation through God.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-01-14 2:05 AM

DavidBross,

I am not going to say that I agree with everything that Phil Robertson says; in fact the way he states some things are slightly cryptic and coarse. But I will share what his book says and then try to differentiate with what quotes are attributed to him and the commentary/spin that others add. Available source text with the context of questions and answers would be desired but many times they are not available or maybe my research efforts are too shallow.

Concerning blacks and women from Page 209 of the book "Happy, Happy, Happy"....."Sure, our founding fathers weren't perfect, and they made mistakes along the way. They allowed slavery to take place in our country for close to a hundred years and didn't allow women to vote in the beginning, but we as people atoned for our mistakes and corrected them."

He doesn't support slavery or oppression of blacks. He supports women's equality and the right to vote. Do you disagree with Phil's viewpoint?

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DavidBross

Jan-01-14 12:24 AM

Texas: I think Robertson discredits himself with the positions he takes. To believe that marrying 15-16 year old girls is a good idea, Or that only those "without Jesus" kill millions of people, or that blacks were better off under segregation is the height of ignorance and arrogance.

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DavidBross

Jan-01-14 12:20 AM

I had a chance to look up the reference about black babies. those comments were cheap, snarky, and were intended only to hurt others. Robertson's comments, while reflecting an incredible ignorance on his part, were expressed because he believes them.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-31-13 9:49 PM

Happy New Year's Eve. Happy New Years to all.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-31-13 9:47 PM

DavidBross, from your posts, I can see that you are sucking up every half-truth, distorted morsel of opinion that the liberal websites are publishing to discredit Mr. Robertson. They don't like his Christian witness. For your own edification and removal of the veil of ignorance, I suggest that you read his book.

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DavidBross

Dec-31-13 9:26 PM

Two things Texas: First, the odds of a teenage marriage working are slim. Usually because both husband and wife haven't finished growing and becoming adults. Second, Just because something worked for one person doesn't mean that it should be held up as an example for others.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-31-13 9:22 PM

"He also advocates marrying girls when they are 15- or 16."--DavidBross

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"Miss Kay was the perfect woman for me. I [Phil Robertson] was sixteen and she was fifteen when we were married."---Page 52 of Happy, Happy, Happy. (Life and Legacy as the Duck Commander.

It worked for him so he is speaking from experience. It is hard to dismiss it.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Dec-31-13 9:12 PM

".......Phil's homophobia."--MrShaman

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That term is so overused and the definition continues to morph and change. With the broad meaning attributed to the definition, if you don't proactively endorse the behavior/life style, you could be considered by some to be homophobic. And of course words are just talk and talk is cheap so unless you are physically/emotionally actively engaged, you are homophobic yourself.

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CMReeder

Dec-31-13 8:21 PM

"Oh isn't Liberal Land a great place play?"

About as great as conservative land that you play in.

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CMReeder

Dec-31-13 8:18 PM

Erik you did not watch MHP's show so you can't truly comment as to what transpired on the show. You got your information second hand from the vitriolic right wing web sites. I am not lying about Mr. Robertson.

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