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Heroin – No surprise

January 2, 2014

We were a sleepy little town that got over run by money makers for rehabs. Their clients were street wise and we were almost country hicks. Then Pennsylvania passes a la....

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DocWoody

Jan-11-14 9:06 AM

I must have missed the needle purchase without an Rx. Having been a Substance Abuse/Mental Health prof. for 35+ yrs that 'idea' dates back to the original Methadone clinics followed by needle 'exchanges' which make more sense..return used,get new eliminates tossed in a parking lot DUH!!! The problem with Methadone and access to needles ENABLES the addict to continue their addiction...a simple fact. ****** was created to treat Morphine addiction and was widely sold even in Bayer aspirin until they realized it is AS addicting as Morphine so the answer Methadone which is following the same idea and getting much the same result 'enabling' addiction. ****** junkies switched to Methadone because it wasfree, the needles safe, and no real reason to quit they are completely 'enabled' to continue with another highly addicting drug for as long as the 'need' to. If AA used that approach and gave everyone a free six pack after each meeting and return the empties how fewer alcoholics would there be

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Millwe

Jan-05-14 9:26 PM

Hate to break it to you but the ****** problem isn't only in "our" sleepy little town. Do some research, it's everywhere and sorry to say "syringes" are the least of my worries when it comes to the ****** problem. There seems to be concern about children "finding" these dirty syringes. What do you think these children live with in the home of an active ****** addict?

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spike2

Jan-05-14 6:11 PM

Thank you to John Bower!

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JohnMBower

Jan-04-14 1:11 PM

Could the people droning on about liberals and conservatives please just stop?

What could have been a productive discussion of our current public health crisis has become just another of your back-and-forth ad hominem battles and frankly, they are BORING the rest of us.

You are ruining this forum and doing absolutely nothing to help your respective causes.

John Michael Bower

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jeff33

Jan-03-14 4:08 PM

SENSI, We need you back on the STREETS!

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spike2

Jan-03-14 1:33 PM

Of course you pick it up and dispose of it. Most of you are less likely to stick yourself than an unaware child. If you really can't think of a way to safely dispose of it, call 911 non-emergency and ask them what is best.

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CMReeder

Jan-03-14 11:16 AM

"Conservatives are too busy working and providing for their families."

Which means no one else does. They(conservatives) are so busy with themselves that nation and community can fall to the wayside as long as they are provide for.

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MrShaman

Jan-03-14 10:49 AM

"Conservatives are too busy working and taking care of their families." - USABorn

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...And, whatever-ELSE it might take...to avoid thinking about dying-of-boredom.

You'll always choose the status-quo...over calculated-risks...and, then, proceed to CRITICIZE those who take risks you wouldn't dare take.

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USABorn

Jan-03-14 9:42 AM

MrShaman - 11:46AM

"...OR, we could look-into what DRIVES their "need". Who knows...they MIGHT (just) be tired of hearing "conservatives" whining and crying about every-little-ting!"

I have always believed liberals were the druggies! Conservatives are too busy working and taking care of their families.

AND HERE WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOCAL TOP-DOG LIBS ACTUALLY ADMITTING IT!!!! Folks, just read his comment one more time, and remember it for future reference!

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MrShaman

Jan-03-14 6:50 AM

"Letting users buy clean needles is a necessary evil in the face of a very ugly problem.

Try to keep in mind that clean syringes no more cause addiction than umbrellas cause rain." - John Michael Bower

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WELL SAID!!!!!!!!

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MrShaman

Jan-03-14 6:46 AM

"Farmer- Yes, i do know somebody that attends AA meetings. Truthfully, it was the very best thing that ever happened to that person because that person has not had a drink of alcohol in ten years." - leaningright

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Whew!!!! Maybe you need to "fall-off the wagon", a little-more often. Being "clean" (quite) obviously isn't working-that-well, for you.

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MrShaman

Jan-03-14 6:39 AM

"Prison should be miserable, thats how you learn. Thats why it is called prison." - leaningright

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Pretty "familiar" with that process, are you??

There's nothing worse than an ex-smoker, all-of-a-sudden becoming an overbearing-"disciple" about OTHERS quitting...except for you folks (who've "done time"), wanting to "share" your misery with others.

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MrShaman

Jan-03-14 6:31 AM

"Please spend my tax dollars on bigger and more prisons to house these people, lock them up and throw away the key." - Leaningright

"If thats how you feel about it I hope you pay a lot in taxes, 'cause I'm talking billions here. You folks talk about how useless and expensive the war on drugs has been, but fail to understand that by far the lion share of that money has been spent on building more prisons and incarcerating drug users." - farmer

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Whoahhhhhhh...TOO-much common-sense!!!!!

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ainger5

Jan-02-14 7:30 PM

they will allow needles to be sold to the public with out perscription but want to eliminate the ****** problem. a ****** problem they supported and contribute to rehabilatize-to save a life? but yet, they wouldnt allow a diabetic to purchase insulin or a needle with out perscription another area in wich requires rehabilitizing-to save a life? makes alot of "CENTS" dont it! diabetics and more addicts face loosing thier lives due to this. please DONT explain to me exactly how they plan on saving a ife by using this proclaimed medical rehabilitation technique? the idea of this simply has everyone on "PIN AND NEEDLES" asking questions and yet we are "STUCK" as we seek awnsers.

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ainger5

Jan-02-14 6:59 PM

When your someone who lives thier life by the needle each day-diabetic, watching somene who lives thier life for the needle each day-addicts, its a bit DISTURBING that ANYONE can now purchase a needle. Thier was a time individuals such as diabetics wether having medical coverage or not was not allowed to purchasde needles with out perscription. Either way, its a very strategic way to eliminate the sickened minorities. Whats even MORE DISTURBING someone such as a diabetic is held responsibility to make sure those things are properly out of reach & disposed of, due those needles being a safety hazard. But ye, children at playrounds are finding needles in mulch,grass,dirt. WHO IS GOING TO TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR THIS? The purchaser,pharmacy, insurance,doctor,manufacturer,government & the list goes on-if by chance ANYTHING was to happen to not only children but anyone else? If you think ****** is dangerous...think again! were sickening-a danger to ourselves!

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JohnMBower

Jan-02-14 6:27 PM

Mr. Latranyi brought an interesting question to mind when he mentioned the problem of syringes in parking lots.

By coincidence, I saw one today in a parking lot here in town. I pointed it out to the person I was with and we walked on, but now, I wonder if I should have done something else. (This particular one was capped in orange, so it was less of a risk of accidental needlestick or sharps injury, unless a kid got curious.)

Should one pick it up and carry it to the trash, lest a child play with it, or are you putting a sanitation worker at risk?

Should you call 911? That would seem a waste of city resources.

Do they teach kids in school what to do when they encounter a used syringe? They certainly should…

John Michael Bower

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JohnMBower

Jan-02-14 6:09 PM

Dear Rev. Dr. Balliet, You won't find a single soul in this town who thinks h.eroin is a good thing, nor one who supports its use—that's not why the syringes are sold without restriction or prescription.

What's happening is that people have sadly learned that things can get much, much worse when intravenous drug users use dirty needles or worse, share them.

Some of the people injecting drugs will, God willing, one day overcome their addictions and live productive lives.

Go visit a Narcotics Anonymous meeting to meet some of these people and hear their stories. You will see that they have struggled with enough demons. Adding in Hepatitis or HIV would either make their struggle more difficult or turn it into a death sentence.

Letting users buy clean needles is a necessary evil in the face of a very ugly problem.

Try to keep in mind that clean syringes no more cause addiction than umbrellas cause rain.

John Michael Bower

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eriklatranyi

Jan-02-14 4:33 PM

Capricorn - Spike:

You both missed my point.

The complaint was needles laying in the parking lots.

My point was if the addicts don't use garbage cans, they won't use sharps disposal bins either.

Yes, garbage cans are a bad way to dispose of needles, but still superior to letting them lay in the parking lots.

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leaningright

Jan-02-14 3:30 PM

Farmer- Yes, i do know somebody that attends AA meetings. Truthfully, it was the very best thing that ever happened to that person because that person has not had a drink of alcohol in ten years. It did not fix the Stupid part other than the drinking to be honest. Yes, i realize they can all be helped but when do we say hey, we have had enough of you and your addiction and your relapses? Tough Love, by not enabeling them. I watched my own brother destroy his life with every kind of drug and alcohol he could get his hands on. Ultimately he hit the very bottom and got the help he required, what a painful process. I guess this is why my tolerance towards this subject is "rough" to say the least.

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spike2

Jan-02-14 3:28 PM

leaningright. they don't necessarily stick the needled in their arms. #2 - if a sanitation worker is stuck by a needle from a diabetic, how would they know. Same costs incurred. A cardboard needle dispensary which cuts off the tip would not cost anything. look at the ER or hospital disposal method. No paid employee would touch the needles. We will all differ on this. I am more offended by keeping a brain dead individual alive on life supports. No that is expensive. If several doctors certify that "brain death" has occurred maintenance should only be a private pay option. Sorry to some of you but that is a waste of my tax dollars.

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farmer

Jan-02-14 3:02 PM

"if you looked at the rap sheets of some of these people you would find them to be pages long" leaningright

67% or close to it. It seems you hit the nail dead on. The system simple doesn't work. Thats a heck of a lot of money flushed down the toilet. How about we try to help them out before they end up in jail. But as you say these people are "disgusting", and no program can help a "disgusting" addict can it? By the way, do you happen to know anyone who ever attended an AA meeting? Oh well, as you say, you can't fix "stupid".

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leaningright

Jan-02-14 2:38 PM

Mr Reeder- I don't disapprove of the needle program, But i do not want to pay for it either. Why should we (taxpayers) have to pay for this? I guess the same reason I have to pay for peoples contraceptives and abortions right? Sorry, I just think it is wrong.

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leaningright

Jan-02-14 2:33 PM

Farmer, yeah yeah yeah, the poor drug dealers, the poor drug addicts.How dare us lock them up for breaking the law and endangering our lives and well being. You and I or anyone else can't fix STUPID. I don't care, go ahead and let them out on the streets to rob, steal,shoot, kill or whatever else they will think up to get money to buy drugs. I can only venture a guess that if you looked at the rap sheets of some of these people you would find them to be pages long, where does it end? Hey, put them in a corral outside for all I care, bricks and mortar not required by me. Feed them outdated food, it's still good. Prison should be miserable, thats how you learn.Thats why it is called prison.

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CMReeder

Jan-02-14 2:08 PM

To those who disapprove of this program what makes you think that not having access to syringes is going to equate to less H use.

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farmer

Jan-02-14 1:50 PM

"I'm tough on drugs" should no longer mean build more prisons. It doesn't work, and we can't afford it.

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