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Legalize drugs

January 2, 2014

I first expressed my view that we should legalize drugs in a letter in December 200....

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CarlHiller

Jan-02-14 5:30 AM

Jude, I have to agree with your LTE. The so-called war on drugs has been an abject failure, as prohibition of alcohol was in the 20's. For 40 + years the US taxpayer has spent over $1 trillion to fund what has become a failed effort. There are a number of reasons for the failure but I believe the greatest one is the ease of illegal border crossings. According to the State Department 90% of the cocaine that enters the United States is trafficked through Mexico. I have not found figures for ****** use but I believe it would mimic that of cocaine and pot. You cannot expect to win any war if the nations borders are as porous as a sponge. Legalize, take the money away from the dealers and increase penalties for those who commit crimes after legalization.

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MrShaman

Jan-02-14 5:37 AM

"A partial solution is to legalize those drugs much as we did with alcohol when we ended prohibition. Doing so would take the profit, and the carnage, off the "street"." - Jude Richardson

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Don't lose TOTAL-control, there!!

Until we've fully-tallied the number of axe-murders that were committed (in Colorado), due to Pot-sales going commercial, we should (probably) keep our County-cells fully-occupied.

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MrShaman

Jan-02-14 5:43 AM

"The so-called war on drugs has been an abject failure, as prohibition of alcohol was in the 20's.

There are a number of reasons for the failure but I believe the greatest one is the ease of illegal border crossings.

You cannot expect to win any war if the nations borders are as porous as a sponge." - CarlHiller

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You're suggesting alcohol-Prohibition failed, because of our porous-border with Canada??

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Capricorn1

Jan-02-14 6:09 AM

"The abuse of "legal" drugs from the dispensary of pharmaceuticals is no less a societal problem. But the dispensary of legal drugs is a problem over which we have some control. We have no control over the burgeoning use of illegal drugs."

Prescribed opiate abuse became a problem for a whole generation because doctors, law enforcement and even family's with these drugs in medicine cabinets at home didn't realize the epidemic that was occurring until it was too late. Much of the her oin problem we see today can be attributed to addiction to prescribed opiates. Are you suggesting that her oin, crack, meth and cocaine should be available with a prescription or be sold in outlets such as medical marijuana? How would you determine the amount each addict is allowed to be prescribed or purchase and what do these addicts do when that amount isn't enough? Who is liable when an addict overdoses if an outlet sells them too much if they aren't prescribed?

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VinceKnauff

Jan-02-14 6:14 AM

So, instead of addicts stealing and robbing to get money to buy drugs from their pusher, addicts will instead steal and rob to get money to buy drugs from the legal dispensary. Do I have that about right?

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Capricorn1

Jan-02-14 6:21 AM

Vince, I believe you do. I also believe you will still have the problem of these drugs being sold on the streets because demand will outpace the "legal" supply.

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Capricorn1

Jan-02-14 6:24 AM

Oh, and one more question, will this be covered under Obamacare?

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Premier

Jan-02-14 6:28 AM

So Jude is saying we should allow these people to shoot up, smoke crack and pot so they can become "productive members of society".

Wow, all our problems are solved.

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Premier

Jan-02-14 6:32 AM

I can here Nancy Pelosi now.

"The best way to combat drug use is to supply more free drugs and paraphernalia".

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eriklatranyi

Jan-02-14 7:24 AM

It is interesting to watch events in Colorado.

Now that licensed sale of pot is starting, the sticker shock is setting in and people realize its cheaper to buy from the drug dealer than from the legitimate, authorized state store.

The state will never compete with private enterprise, especially those that ignore regulations, taxes and tariffs.

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CMReeder

Jan-02-14 7:33 AM

Oh, a drug dealer is private enterprise.

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hopeforfuture

Jan-02-14 7:36 AM

You're suggesting alcohol-Prohibition failed, because of our porous-border with Canada??-MrShaman

Yep that is how the Kennedy's got rich.

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CMReeder

Jan-02-14 7:43 AM

Here is the problem with the legalizing of street drugs. It doesn't solve the root of the problem faced with drug use whether it is prescription drugs, street drugs, chemicals or alcohol. We are not dealing with addiction or addictive behavior.

You can legalize street drugs but you are not going to solve the problems of drug use.

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spike2

Jan-02-14 8:00 AM

I think we need a buffet of treatment options. legal maintenance and traditional treatment. Controlling addiction is not a one-size fits all. Cap- standard insurance covers D&A treatment in conjunction with MH. Yes, the AHCA will also cover treatment or methadone maintenance. her oin is a physical addiction as is alcohol, others are purely psychological without significant physical symptoms. treating or maintaining would still be more effective in the cost to society and or ensuing medical treatment needs. Erik, an ounce of weed should last an individual user for awhile. I'm not sure it is more expensive than on the street. second, legalized weed will have far less additives. I think we should all wait and see how Colorado and soon Washington state do. They will be the test cases.

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Capricorn1

Jan-02-14 8:16 AM

Spike, first you are addressing treatment with regards to it being covered in healthcare policies. I was asking if these harder drugs, if made legal, will be included in the authorized list of drugs that are covered under Obamacare. Second, to use Colorado as a test bed on whether to legalize much harder drugs like her oin and cocaine would be very misleading. Comparing marijuana to these much harder drugs is apples and oranges IMO. There is no scientific proof that marijuana leads to addiction or causes the serious social problems that these harder drugs do.

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andy33

Jan-02-14 8:24 AM

Chuckie....I agree totally!

Spike....get real...you ALREADY KNOW there are NO>>>NO....NO real resources in this town unless you have insurance...and how many users can whip out a BC/BS card for a stint in a treatment center!!!!!

Maybe this is the real issue...

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Capricorn1

Jan-02-14 8:32 AM

I believe the first step is to legalize marijuana nationwide, to include the federal level. This would free up countless resources in our criminal justice system and millions of dollars, not to mention the tax dollars it would generate. Maybe with these added resources and money, they would be better equipped to tackle not only the distribution of these harder drugs, but the rehabilitation of those addicted.

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enigma

Jan-02-14 8:52 AM

Why is it that all arguments for legalizing drugs are the dumbest arguments that can be made. Somehow the idea that any crime that still exists after years of trying to stop it should be legalized, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Robbery has been around a long time and we can't stop it, so let's legalize it. What a stupid idea! Even better is the idea that we shouldn't convict people of crimes because it makes their lives harder. Then he piles on the dumbness with the revelation that abuse of legal drugs is a problem. Of course he fails to point out that abuse of prescription drugs is a crime also, but he doesn't propose legalizing that. I have mixed feelings about legalizing drugs, but not for any of the stupid reasons most drug addled proponents use. To me it's a matter personal freedom vs the harm it might do to others.

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hopeforfuture

Jan-02-14 8:52 AM

Does anyone know how they handled this problem in the early 1900's?

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MrShaman

Jan-02-14 8:57 AM

"So, instead of addicts stealing and robbing to get money to buy drugs from their pusher, addicts will instead steal and rob to get money to buy drugs from the legal dispensary. Do I have that about right?" - VinceKnauff

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Yeah...the "carnage", in Colorado, was in-most-cases unavoidable....

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See:

Editorial: Mile Migh Milestone: Pot Fears Were Unfounded

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MrShaman

Jan-02-14 9:04 AM

"Does anyone know how they handled this problem in the early 1900's?" - hopeforfuture

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See:

History Of Drug Use And Drug Users In The United States [Schaffer Library]

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MrShaman

Jan-02-14 9:07 AM

"Vince, I believe you do. I also believe you will still have the problem of these drugs being sold on the streets because demand will outpace the "legal" supply." - Capricorn1

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Ah, yes...that "magical"-pronoun; "drugs"!!

Which drug (specifically) are you referring-to...alcohol??

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MrShaman

Jan-02-14 9:10 AM

"So Jude is saying we should allow these people to shoot up, smoke crack and pot so they can become "productive members of society".

Wow, all our problems are solved." - Premier

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You actually think "drugs" are our biggest "problem"?????

I'm sure the crooks, on Wall Street, appreciate your (version of) "activism"!!

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MrShaman

Jan-02-14 9:15 AM

"I can here Nancy Pelosi now.

"The best way to combat drug use is to supply more free drugs and paraphernalia"." - Premier

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Your h-e-a-r-i-n-g has (quite obviously) improved, since your Elementary-introduction to spelling!

"...p-a-r-a-p-h-e-r-n-a-l-i-a..."???!!!!

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MrShaman

Jan-02-14 9:18 AM

"It is interesting to watch events in Colorado.

Now that licensed sale of pot is starting, the sticker shock is setting in and people realize its cheaper to buy from the drug dealer than from the legitimate, authorized state store." - eriklatranyi

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Whatta-ya'-know-about-it, "cherry"??

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