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Totally unfair

January 7, 2014

I have been reading about something I think is totally unfair: The Nurse (Dreonna Breton) who was fired from Horizons Healthcare Services Co....

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rmiller

Jan-11-14 11:29 PM

Doc,

"This woman has every legal right to maintain a safe environment and CHOOSE what she does or does not do to protect her baby"

Legal right or legal obligation?

And, since it is a fact that more people die from the flu than the shot, who's right is being protected with a safety decision...the mother's right or the baby's safe environment?

You used the word "suggested" to have caused...suggested being the operative word.

If you are a Doctor, then you know full well the death is a risk if one gets the flu, as opposed to side affects from the shot, correct?

Look, bottom line is everyone does have a right to make their personal decisions about their health. But, to suggest it is about the health of the baby when that same individual, as I previously stated might not get the shot under any conditions, the baby is a convenience.

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DocWoody

Jan-11-14 8:45 AM

Remember the 1976 swine flu outbreak, also known as the swine flu fiasco or the swine flu debacle? It was a strain of H1N1 influenza virus that appeared in 1976. Infections were only detected for about a month and not found outside Fort Dix. The outbreak is remembered for the mass immunization that it prompted in this country. The strain itself killed one person and hospitalized 13. However, side-effects from the vaccine are suggested to have caused five hundred cases of Guillain–Barré syndrome and 25 deaths.I for one would never get a flu shot and I believe people have 'rights' to what happens to their own body. If an employer insisted on me getting a shot to remain employed I'd have a lawyer there in half an hour. This woman has every legal right to maintain a safe environment and CHOOSE what she does or does not do to protect her baby. What is UN-believable is that it was a health care organization and a hospital no less!!

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rmiller

Jan-10-14 9:49 PM

It's not an opinion that the shot prevents the flu - it is a fact of science and medicine. The particular strain? That's a different story.

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rmiller

Jan-10-14 9:48 PM

MomRN.

Now, it's not supposed to prevent the flu "expected this year".

I respect someone not getting in my face and expecting me to comply with a health issue. But, some things are common sense. It's like every minute...just a hypothesis.....someone dies in an automobile accident. But, that doesn't stop me from purchasing a car and enjoying it. People call me a conspiratorial person. But, I don't truly believe the govt. put something in the shots to deep mind control me. If they did, it isn't working. :)

I will say this in all fairness MOMRN, if I had experienced the sour grapes you did with respect to the flu shot, I wouldn't take another one either. Seriously, but you do know that yours is the exception and not the rule.

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MoMRNRmR

Jan-10-14 4:13 PM

rmiller your opinion is your opinion!Like I stated before, the Flu Shot is not proven to PREVENT the strain of Flu that might happen this year, it’s a CRAP shoot! Facts are Facts, your Opinion is your opinion. Thank You.

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farmer

Jan-10-14 8:25 AM

"Looks like a lot of Hitlers family members post on here, forcing things on people was his mo." jsteg47

It is very difficult to properly describe the ignorance oozing from this comment with out stooping to the level of that same ooze.

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jsteg47

Jan-10-14 12:04 AM

Looks like a lot of Hitlers family members post on here, forcing things on people was his mo.

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rmiller

Jan-09-14 10:57 PM

"The Flu Shot is NOT proven to prevent the flu"

come on....that's a stretch....nothing in life is a guarantee, including a polio/tetanus/typhoid/ does that mean we should stop inoculating all together?

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rmiller

Jan-09-14 10:56 PM

O.K., Mom (RN) presumably.....no one should get the flu shot, right? More people die from the flu than die from getting the shot. How do you explain that bitsy variable? Bottom line, I don't want someone working with me in the medical field who (for whatever reason) chooses not to get a preventive shot of med that can and does kill. We don't have the entire story, that's true. I agree that no person should be forced to have any medical procedure done against their will....now...can we address teens getting abortions without parental consent?

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MoMRNRmR

Jan-09-14 2:44 PM

Sorry, again=against.

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MoMRNRmR

Jan-09-14 1:44 PM

It's truly again the LAW to force anybody to take medication and shot's they don’t want too! As a health care provider you may offer it, but if the client takes it is another story. I have been following this, 1) the nurse is pregnant, 2) multiple issues with pregnancies in the past (3-4 miscarriages), 3) Advised by physician not to take the flu shot (contraindicated due to failed pregnancies), 4) didn’t take flu shot, 5) terminated by Lancaster General Hospital. I have a big issue with an employer making you get a Flu Shot! It’s not proven to PREVENT the strain of Flu that might happen this year, it’s a CRAP shoot! I received the flu shot once and got the FLU that year; since then no flu shot and haven’t gotten the flu. The Flu Shot is NOT proven to prevent the flu, so why get it! Sorry, it’s like the entire anti germ prevention stuff on the market, soap and water is just fine. Geez, I guess the Super Bug that you learn about in Microbiology just might come true someday.

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farmer

Jan-09-14 7:52 AM

Ok, you've convinced me. Getting a flu shot is too dangerous, it doesn't work, and it's really ouchy. I'm not getting one.

Cap, I hope that came across as a bit of humor, we each have our opinions, and I do respect yours. I hope you had a good holiday season.

PS Just remember, my opinions are always right. No really, they are!

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Jilliano

Jan-08-14 12:16 PM

The flu shot is a guess. There are over 200 strains of the virus. All of them cannot be put into one vaccine.

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CMReeder

Jan-08-14 11:54 AM

That should be 'The flu shot doesn't...'

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CMReeder

Jan-08-14 11:53 AM

The flu doesn't mean you will not get a case of the flu. If a new strain is exposed to you, you will get the flu.

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CMReeder

Jan-08-14 11:47 AM

Health care facilities whether a hospital or nursing home or nurse providers have people coming in with germs and illness and disease. Maybe employers any employer should not be punishing employees for being sick and making them come to work or loose their jobs.

The flu shot is not for everyone and no employer should be forcing their employees to get one.

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farmer

Jan-08-14 10:19 AM

"Again the flu shot is not for everyone. I get one every year. For an employer to force it as a condition of employment is to me so un-American." CMReeder

I understand you point here, but this is not like a WalMart making then get a flu shot. This is a health care facility where employees come in close contact with very sick, vulnerable, immune deficient patients. For myself, I would rather be called "un-American" then put my patients at unnecessary risk.

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CMReeder

Jan-08-14 9:28 AM

Again the flu shot is not for everyone. I get one every year. For an employer to force it as a condition of employment is to me so un-American.

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farmer

Jan-08-14 8:51 AM

I'm sorry, I was unaware that V.i.a.g.r.a was a dirty word. I thought it was prescription medication paid for by most major medical insurance co. My apologies to the Sun Gazette and it's readers for the use of such a vile word.

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farmer

Jan-08-14 8:43 AM

"There is also the possibility that the hospital saw this as a convenient way to get out of paying her for maternity leave" Enigma

Or maybe she was having an affair, or maybe she was a communist, oh,oh,,,,maybe she was just a "stupid liberal". Let us not have needless facts stand in the way of our opinions.

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farmer

Jan-08-14 8:35 AM

"If you know anything about the flu vaccine, you know that it is just a guess. It is far from a guarantee that you will be protected. There are also risks involved with any vaccine" Enigma The flu vaccine is not just a guess. And while it is no guarantee you won't get the flu, you can be guaranteed your chances of not getting the flu are very greatly increased with getting the shot. Yes there are risks. There are also risks with taking ******. And no, wearing a mask is not a better protection then the vaccine. With the mask you run the risk of user airer. Once you are vaccinated you don't ever forget to be vaccinated when entering a patients room. I'm sorry for the side effects that you suffer from, but the the numbers prove, the benefits far out weigh the risks.

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spike2

Jan-08-14 8:17 AM

I'm also with Erik. Like it or not, it is an employment condition. I wonder if she went to HR and requested a leave of absence?

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farmer

Jan-08-14 8:05 AM

"I agree that the hospital had the right to fire her over this, but that doesn't mean they had too" Enigma

I totally agree. I don't know the details (I'm sure no one here does), but I think some sort of leave could be arranged. I do know that Giesinger's policy is either or. Get a flu shot or wear a mask when you are within six feet of a patient.

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Capricorn1

Jan-08-14 6:06 AM

USABorn, in the statement released by her employer, they stated that TB skin tests and MMR and influenza vaccinations were conditions of employment for all employees. The policy was started in 2012 before she was hired and hundreds of healthcare services across the country are now putting this same policy in place as a result of the new CDC immunization reporting requirement for all healthcare employees that began Jan 1st 2012.

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USABorn

Jan-08-14 4:09 AM

Capricorn1 - 5:30 AM "Receiving the vaccine was a condition of her employment and the hospital has an obligation to protect their patients."

And you know this how? Was the subject of a flu shot even mentioned during the interview process?

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