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Traitor

January 8, 2014

Edward Snowden is telling us he sees all and knows all but in fact he is a traitor and should face a military firing squad. He sold this country out along with all its citizens who rely on the N.S.....

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Fredzz

Jan-11-14 8:29 AM

"" It doesn't excuse the American public. They did not care until Snowden revealed what was going on. ""

Well, Gee, CMReeder...!!

How do you expect the American Public too be Outraged by something they did not know was happening...???

Or did I miss all the Public Announcements issued by the NSA clearly explaining they were gathering & storing every communication of every American in the United States or America...?

Are you Outraged by the 20,000 people that were Hung to death in China yesterday.....!!

Of curse not, How could you be outraged. especially since 20,000 people were not Hung to death in China yesterday.....!!

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Capricorn1

Jan-10-14 11:40 AM

Chuck maybe the people you associate with didn't care but that doesn't mean everybody didn't. I'm a bit confused where you stand on this issue. Were you against it when Bush was in office, but suddenly it's ok?

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CMReeder

Jan-10-14 10:18 AM

Now it is porous borders and you have friends in the military who objected to the NSA yet a General runs it. It is obvious the military has a hand in the NSA.

It doesn't excuse the American public. They did not care until Snowden revealed what was going on.

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Capricorn1

Jan-10-14 9:28 AM

Personally Chuck I think it's a joke that the government spends millions of dollars on these spy programs "in defense of this nation" yet we continue to have the porous borders that we do, allowing thousands of illegals to cross each day. Those that want to do us harm are well aware of that weakness.

See Islamic Terrorists working with drug cartels.

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Capricorn1

Jan-10-14 9:17 AM

Chuck, there is no cry to cut military spending because they are already planning to cut it one trillion dollars over the next ten years and reduce troops to levels that haven't been seen since World War II. And like I said, when the patriot act was first passed, there was a nation in fear and many lashed out at those that were against the Act because of that fear. As time went on and people once again felt safe and actually understood what the Act was about, they no longer supported it, democrats and republicans alike. Personally I never supported it nor did many of my military friends that I worked closely with following 9/11.

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CMReeder

Jan-10-14 8:40 AM

Sorry but people did not care. Many wrote in and posted comments that said they had nothing to hide and if the government wanted to listen in on their conversations. Now all of sudden it is wrong. Your communications have been collected and stored and they are still looking through it.

Now you want to compare what has happen under the Patriot Act and in the NSA to the ACA.

Apparently the public thinks terrorism is in the past and is no longer relevant.

The American public allowed this there was no movement to run our elected officials out of office because of spying. There is no outcry to cut defense spending or homeland security or federal law enforcement. No we push for more guns and lack gun laws and more military spending.

The American public said yes, I have nothing to hide, you can listen in all you want. They don't like the fact that it is stored and search on a regular basis for irregularities.

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Capricorn1

Jan-10-14 2:09 AM

The government did it with our blessings there was no mass uproar from the people until Snowden. -Reeder

You can blame the government all you want, it doesn't let the American public off the hook for their role in letting it become law in the first place. -Reeder

Chuck, the American public had no input or control over this legislation. Even if there was an uprising about it, which there has been in recent years even before Snowden, Congress took no action to abolish is. Now we know even more as a result of Snowden and the majority of the public spoke out against these actions, and still NOTHING is done. I agree that many in fear spoke out mistakenly against those that saw these actions for what they were, but even after the hysteria died down and people objected, it had no influence on Congress or the President from both Administrations. The majority of Americans have spoken out against the ACA since before it was passed but you don't see that having any influence either.

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CMReeder

Jan-10-14 12:40 AM

of course no one wants to put President Obama in front of a firing squad, they want to lynch him and then make it a national holiday.

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CMReeder

Jan-10-14 12:38 AM

The public okayed it and those fighting the terrorists wanted this program and still defend it.

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rmiller

Jan-09-14 10:50 PM

Gee, if this LTR was suggesting Obama be put in front of a firing squad (which no one should do) the police would be making an arrest.

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USABorn

Jan-09-14 5:32 PM

Copy and paste link to address or search box and change the DOT to a PERIOD.

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USABorn

Jan-09-14 5:30 PM

Bobbie2 - 10:23 PM

"As I pointed out previously Curt Weldon, a sitting Congressman, attempted to expose this. Where is he now?"

Bobbie2.....I have "saved" Weldon's "ABLE DANGER" speech to congress. Everyone should read it.

freerepublicDOTcom/focus/f-news/1505816/posts

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underwood

Jan-09-14 2:00 PM

The public isn’t doing the spying, the government is and if not for Snowden we’d have no idea how far it goes.

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CMReeder

Jan-09-14 1:56 PM

Some people wash their own guilt away from it and place it all on the government. The public is as guilty as the government. Those who questioned what the government was going to do were shouted and down and those who supported the endeavor called themselves patriots. Those who supported this action are as complicit in the fallout as any in Congress who voted in favor of it.

You can blame the government all you want, it doesn't let the American public off the hook for their role in letting it become law in the first place.

Warnings were given that this would happen and many did not heed it including members of both parties. Fear trump any concerns any one else had.

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underwood

Jan-09-14 1:24 PM

Some want to make it a left or right thing, but it’s a government thing.

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CMReeder

Jan-09-14 11:17 AM

The government did it with our blessings there was no mass uproar from the people until Snowden.

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CMReeder

Jan-09-14 11:15 AM

It isn't a left or right thing but yet most are quick to blame the left for it. It is a transgression that we allowed from the very beginning. Those who disagreed with it and were warning of the dangers were quickly shouted down. Many did not see any danger with it until Snowden open the doors to it.

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underwood

Jan-09-14 10:36 AM

This matter isn’t a right or left thing, it’s an issue of how our government and courts are defying the Constitution and infringing upon our right to privacy without any probable cause for a warrant. Snowden brought it to our attention; some will consider him a hero for it and others will consider him a traitor for exposing another federal government transgression of it’s Constitutional authority.

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CMReeder

Jan-09-14 9:00 AM

spike2, I agree with you. People have expose their lives so much with our technology their really isn't much that is private anymore. It doesn't stop with social web sites. People give personal histories to employers, banks, hospitals, and all kinds of services. The government has had information on you since the day you were born. But it is information we gave freely.

The problem lies in not information collected it is the how. It is an abuse of freedom. Every communication you and every one else have sent is in their possession. All without you knowledge or permission but through a stealthy written law that only a few warned as dangerous to our freedoms.

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spike2

Jan-09-14 7:54 AM

Spying on citizens, maybe in an age where 70% of the world puts their entire life on Facebook. Doesn't take much spying, just a computer and a few research skills.

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rmiller

Jan-08-14 5:54 PM

Ebner,

You don't know that.

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enigma

Jan-08-14 4:34 PM

"George W. Bush, was the 1st President to authorize the NSA to listen in on the domestic phone calls of American citizens in the aftermath of the 9/11" - CarlHiller

That is not quite true. Bush authorized listening in on overseas calls involving American citizens. That gave some wiggle room, Constitutionally speaking. The NSA has been eavesdropping on Americans for many years, but no President specifically ordered them, though all Presidents since Clinton knew about it. Presidents and lawmakers from both parties knew about this and no President and only a few lawmakers tried to stop it and even those who tried refused to go public. It's not a party problem, it's a big government problem. When the government gets so big that it can't be controlled, it runs out of control. Knowledge is power so the NSA is gathering all the knowledge they can and they were doing it before 9/11. It just picked up speed then.

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eriklatranyi

Jan-08-14 2:34 PM

The NSA spying on citizens is not a Republican or Democrat issue.

We have a federal gov't that is spiraling out of control, grabbing power and doing whatever it wants with no fear of consequences.

We have gov't officials who openly lie to Congress and the American people.

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CarlHiller

Jan-08-14 2:18 PM

George W. Bush, was the 1st President to authorize the NSA to listen in on the domestic phone calls of American citizens in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks in violation of the constitution and the laws. It amazes me that many of those who were the most vocal in criticizing Bush for violating the Constitution have gone curiously silent in the face of Obama’s repeated violations. The NSA operates outside the constitutional system of checks and balances only because Congress has never passed a law defining the NSA's responsibilities and obligations another example of Congress not doing it's job. Edward Snowden revealed that the NSA had not only broken privacy rules and overstepped its legal authority thousands upon thousands of times every year but has been actively working to disregard any attempts at oversight and accountability, aided by the current administration. This is not a party issue, both sides are as much to blame. Clinton - Bushes - Obama they are all the same.

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CarlHiller

Jan-08-14 1:55 PM

CMReeder - I agree with you on this. I get amazed and frustrated all the time when I hear Republicans who support these type programs.

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