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January 15, 2014

News items and discussions about heroin problems usually focus on dealing with addiction and consequences of use....

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Godzilla1

Jan-20-14 11:39 AM

I am dumdfounded that 70 responses were posted in response to this obviously uneducated dufus. It never ceases to amaze me that people who have no obvious grasp on the situation will spout off asinine tidbit of retarded questionably attained knowledge! I hope that Phil never has to deal with this situation with his family or a loved one he may one day sit in retroflection of this letter with an sense of shame for his narrow mined beliefs.

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Millwe

Jan-17-14 12:31 PM

If you catch yourself on fire do you ask why or try to put it out?? If there were an "easy" fix to addictions, there would not be any. unfortunately, that is not the case so we must deal with reality and try to deal with the problem at hand, which is trying to make people better instead of ignoring the illness.... it's progress, no perfection.

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DocWoody

Jan-16-14 7:55 PM

Scott 36 - To answer your question isn't a yes or no but a 'maybe'. People can be 'addicted' to benign things that are not drugs. The difference is that somethings are psychologically addicting, some physically addicting, and some both. A simple example is caffeine. Many people have coffee in the morning. If they don't they may experience withdrawal symptoms such as a headache or listlessness which is physical however 'knowing' they didn't have coffee their withdrawal symptoms seem more pronounced i.e they feel more tired then they really are, etc. Also to clarify, you have to take the stages of grief into account as well. Anytime you lose anything you pass through the stages so you may not be 'addicted' you just may be going through a grief period. When something affects your life in a negative way, you avoid going to work or out with friends to stay home on the computer then you may want to look at things like that and decide yes or no is this affecting me negative way.

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Scott36

Jan-16-14 11:02 AM

DocWoody, Sorry that I messed up on my 11:00am post. The question on the bottom part is what I wanted to ask.-Scott

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Scott36

Jan-16-14 11:00 AM

You sir seem to be educated on the subject of "addiction". May I ask a question(It is probably not a yes or no answer)- If one is addicted to a smart phone for example, is there a possibility that if it were One can be addicted to computers, exercise, gambling, hobbies,video games,drugs, alcohol, OTC meds,Rx meds, and my favorite the smart phone.-DocWoody

Is it possible that one of these addictions could be a "substitute" for a more troublesome addiction such as "H"?-Scott

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DocWoody

Jan-16-14 8:05 AM

The defin. of addiction is repeating the same behavior despite having adverse reactions. One can be addicted to computers, exercise, gambling, hobbies,video games,drugs, alcohol, OTC meds,Rx meds, and my favorite the smart phone. Too many have it in hand and check it constantly. Almost an OCD behavior. There is also the co-dependency factor (google it) it's a separate addiction that often goes hand in hand with any other addiction. Many were co-dependent before they picked up their first anything, became addicted, spiraled, down, got clean,relapsed again and again because they were not looking at their co-dependent behaviors typically they were unaware that they existed. Again a behavior that you repeat with adverse consequences. Addiction is VERY complicated and hard to understand. There is NO one answer and the addict has no idea and struggles in recovery to find it.You take each addict individually. They have similar stories but their reason is personal and unique to themselves.

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DocWoody

Jan-16-14 7:49 AM

Mr S:Thanks for noting food but the topic was "H" so I stuck to that. If a child grows up where drugs/alcohol/overeating the 'norm' then they see it as OK this is 'life'. Genetically if one parent is an addict,a child has a 50% chance of addiction but they may look at the family and decide I want something different. They may live normal happy lives or their addiction may emerge as shopping, gambling, eating, etc. You can be pre-disposed to the gene but each individual makes choices for themselves as they grow up. Many addicts jump on the genetic bandwagon blaming parents but SA Prof's know better. Bottom line it's a personal choice based on a myriad of factors in one's childhood and teenage years. The human brain doesn't mature until 25 y.o. the frontal lobe where judgement and reasoning are the last part to mature. Add drugs/alcohol to a teenager who's judgement is naturally skewed even though they 'know' drugs/alcohol are bad but choose them because? Most addicts are unsu

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MrShaman

Jan-16-14 6:25 AM

Cap1- My opinion says there may be a left-wing bent to your choices which I have no problem with." - JohnZook

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...But, something that "needs" to be pointed-out, right???

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MrShaman

Jan-16-14 6:18 AM

"I would also add that most drug users probably start in their teens. And I'm not trying to be funny or make light of the matter, but in my experience, teenage adolescence is almost a mental health problem on it's own." - farmer

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Same as it's always been.....

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See:

The Teen Brain: Behavior, Problem Solving, And Decision Making

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MrShaman

Jan-16-14 6:12 AM

"I am so thankful that we have Mr. Shaman who takes the time to provide us with so much useful and valuable information on so many subjects." - mahs81

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Not a prob!! I consider my efforts a civic-duty...geared towards those who see intellectual-stimulation as one more "evil".

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MrShaman

Jan-16-14 6:07 AM

Who was talking-about genetics? ………MrShman…………………Yeah...sure...some people (simply) choose to be born-into a family where addiction is an issue……MrShaman………… The study of heredity is called genetics and scientists that study heredity are called geneticists." - Steelman

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Very GOOD!!!!!

Now...what's that got-to-do with a child who sees his/her parents spending their time perpetually-"sloshed"...or, "accommodating" an endless "parade" o' donuts?

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MrShaman

Jan-16-14 6:00 AM

"Rush is the first radio personality I listened to who actually voiced what I was thinking and yelling at the news casters about." - hopeforfuture

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...And, he's always COUNTED on that!!!

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"Rush said that he though most people are incredibly gullible, and he felt that the key to radio programming was to reach that crowd, and that it would be really, really easy. He thought he could get anyone to believe anything he said, and the more outrageous it was, the more they would believe it."

See:

Friends of Liberty - ST. LOUIS MAN CLAIMS RUSH LIMBAUGH

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Ritty77

Jan-15-14 7:49 PM

I don't agree with The National Institute on Drug Abuse's assessment. I believe that some people may be predisposed (genes) to abuse drugs, alcohol, food, nicotine, sex, shopping, etc, but calling it a disease is just a way to avoid placing the blame where it belongs—on the user/abuser.

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Capricorn1

Jan-15-14 7:23 PM

Ritty and Phil, The National Institute on Drug Abuse does classify it as a chronic brain disease as a result of advanced scientific studies on how these drugs attack the brain.

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Capricorn1

Jan-15-14 7:13 PM

John, I almost choked when I read your comment. You misunderstood me. I am NOT a Maddow fan! Very far from it. I can take maybe two minutes of listening to her. To each his own regarding Limbaugh. I used to be a long time listener. And btw, I don't listen to Stern for political commentary. He rarely talks politics and he readily admits he is not well versed on the subject. I prefer getting my political information from a variety of sources online and stay away from talk radio and mainstream TV news media. It's all strictly entertainment in my opinion and I think they play a role in the division of this nation.

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underwood

Jan-15-14 6:42 PM

After giving it some thought, perhaps illness is a better choice of words than disease.

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JohnZook

Jan-15-14 4:14 PM

Cap1- I would say he's controversial to someone with a Leftist point of view. (No I'm not calling you a leftist) You say you want an "unbiased" point of view and then go into listening to Stern and Maddow. My opinion says there may be a left-wing bent to your choices which I have no problem with.Good for you. As far as ads go, with an audience of 23 million, I don't think Rush has any problems with getting advertisers. By the way, how big is Rachael Maddow's audience? I'm not sure of Stern; he has a specific kind of audience that some may say is hedonistic. My take....

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underwood

Jan-15-14 4:14 PM

Ritty, I agree the choice to risk addition can’t be considered anything but what it is; a personal choice, but wouldn’t you agree that hard addiction as with H should be treated as a disease?

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Ritty77

Jan-15-14 4:05 PM

"Addiction is a disease."

Drink!

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eriklatranyi

Jan-15-14 3:44 PM

Thanks, Farmer.

Yes, the mechanisms to deal with feelings/emotions mature in our teenage years......at least they are supposed to mature then.

Unfortunately, because so many children do very little and have disconnected parents, they have few role models to learn how to deal with feelings/emotions without substances.

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underwood

Jan-15-14 3:38 PM

Some still have a problem differentiating between news and opinion. Rush could be said to offer opinion about news.

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Capricorn1

Jan-15-14 1:00 PM

Cap1- Limbaugh is radical? He 's just an entertainer who uses politics as his subject matter. -John

You're correct, he is an entertainer who enjoys being controversial to make his money. However, when those controversies effect his advertising dollars, he goes back on the very words he spoke so passionately about. Give me a commentator that is unbiased and without all the extra fluff thrown in for the entertainment or shock value and I'll listen to them all day long. I can and do get entertainment and shock from Howard Stern but he doesn't pretend to be an expert in politics. I feel the same way about Maddow and "entertainers" from both sides of the aisle. None of it is professional journalism.

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Steelman

Jan-15-14 12:31 PM

Who was talking-about genetics? ………MrShman…………………Yeah...sure...some people (simply) choose to be born-into a family where addiction is an issue……MrShaman………… The study of heredity is called genetics and scientists that study heredity are called geneticists.

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hopeforfuture

Jan-15-14 12:05 PM

mahs81--Does he ever reference the liberal stupidity no only the Conservative. Both do equally stupid things that could be criticized. Liberals think they have to think for you while

Conservatives think people can and do think for themselves.

Rush is the first radio personality I listened to who actually voiced what I was thinking and yelling at the news casters about. lol

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mahs81

Jan-15-14 11:42 AM

I am so thankful that we have Mr. Shaman who takes the time to provide us with so much useful and valuable information on so many subjects. His comments, reference to articles and websites and even his You Tube suggestions have been so helpful. I am always so happy when he has the time to post numerous time on 1 subject and saves me a ton of time in researching this stuff for myself. If it were not for him, I would not know half of what I know nor would I know what evils are out there. For those of you who are so hard on him, I say shame on you. For those of you that do not know sarcasm when you read it, I say SHAME ON YOU!

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