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Takers vs. Makers

January 16, 2014

Once again we have a portion of the population taking money from the economy. Chronic unemployment continues to be a proble....

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802ParkAve1974everythingtonothingtoeverything

Jan-16-14 3:14 AM

There is some truth in your satire, but in the end, it's just not that simple. I wish it were.

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Capricorn1

Jan-16-14 4:15 AM

"If we continue to hand unemployment benefits to the "takers", they might buy food, pay mortgages, make car payments and survive while continuing to look for work."

IMO the way the system is designed, promotes complacency with regards to actually searching for a job. My neighbor who drew 99 weeks of benefits explained that during the majority of that time, all that was required was for him to log on to the website and answer a few yes and no questions to fulfill his obligation of actually looking for work. It was only during that last few months of the nearly two years of benefits that he actually had to complete a form each period and list the places he sought employment. He readily admitted that this allowed him to be lazy and he really didn't have to do anything and still receive benefits for close to two years. I understand that this does not apply to everyone that is drawing benefits, but no program, should be designed in a manner that allows for laziness.

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Tgrammiex4

Jan-16-14 5:15 AM

It stands to reason too, if you were laid off from a job making a good wage and you are getting close to the max on unemployment, why would you take a job that pays less then what you are getting on unemployment? There aren't that many good paying/ comparable jobs available around here anymore.I think that is why many are exhausting thier benefits before they take those lower paying jobs.

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gavinf56

Jan-16-14 5:23 AM

Tax rates on Capital gains were raised from 15% to 20% at the beginning of 2013. Also, the ACA imposed a 3.8% medicare tax rate on this type of income for high income earners, making the tax rate 23.8%.

Let's demand more eggs from the golden goose.

Drink.

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gavinf56

Jan-16-14 5:36 AM

Personally, I think the bigger injustice is that UC is considered taxable income at the Federal level and instead of focusing on that, we have a percentage of the population that believe those who have succeeded are not paying their "fair share" to support those who have not.

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MrShaman

Jan-16-14 5:46 AM

"Tax rates on Capital gains were raised from 15% to 20% at the beginning of 2013. Also, the ACA imposed a 3.8% medicare tax rate on this type of income for high income earners, making the tax rate 23.8%.

Let's demand more eggs from the golden goose." - gavinf56

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You're suggesting the LESS-laborious your "activities" are...the LESS you should have to PAY (in taxes)????

No...taxes, on Capital gains should be the exact-SAME as taxes on income for those who (actually) WORK for their income. I can't believe there are that many people who are "breaking" much of a "sweat", gambling on Wall Street.

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CarlHiller

Jan-16-14 6:34 AM

Tgrammiex4 - You are correct. We have allowed government to create an environ of low wage, part time, service sector jobs that require welfare aid to make up the difference of a good wage job. This is not one party or the other it is both parties that have done this. When you rely on government for sustenance, government has complete control over you. Extended UC is just an outcome of the society we have created. Unless you build something that creates wealth, which a hamburger does not, you cannot re-create a dying middle-class without doing certain things, one being, to place a moratorium on immigration both legal and illegal, there would be more than enough jobs available for those Americans who are currently out of work. I know everyone on the right will be against this but a Tobin style tax, an excise tax on cross-border currency transactions, would subdue currency market volatility and help to restore national economic sovereignty.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-16-14 6:50 AM

So the young people are being taken because ObamaCare is relying on them to fund the program for elderly. But wait, that is what they wanted because they supported Obama in his initial and reelection efforts. Now they are not signing up for ObamaCare and leaving the system underfunded. If they didn't want to be taken, they should have voted for people that would have repealed ObamaCare.

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eriklatranyi

Jan-16-14 7:10 AM

So, when working people are struggling to pay bills, the liberals are asking them to keep paying for those who do not work,

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BornHere

Jan-16-14 7:26 AM

My father had a saying when I was growing up that pushed me even more to succeed those words were, "can't means you won't".

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Steelman

Jan-16-14 7:32 AM

I can't believe there are that many people who are "breaking" much of a "sweat", gambling on Wall Street” …..MrShaman…….If it were not for these “Gamblers”, where do you think these companies would be? Probably looking for federal handouts. The “gamblers” are keeping these businesses operational so they can hire the unemployed. The feds taking more taxes from the investors gives them less money to invest and keep the market going

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Tgrammiex4

Jan-16-14 7:40 AM

Maybe I'm wrong on my ideas to fix this. 1. Actively deport illegals, fine co. who employ them. 2. heavily tax imports from companies that left here.3. Offer incentives to companies that return or new companies that start up here.4. Offer incentives to companies that hire any welfare, SSI or unemployment recipients and pay a living wage.Focus on manufacturing jobs for goods to be sold here. Does it make a difference if we are helping pay someone's wages vs. a free check? I think so.

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idiottwo

Jan-16-14 7:54 AM

take all their money and you don't have enough to cover the spending and deficits in place. A finacial cliff awaits. The hardest hit will be those who need help the most. Sad days.

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MrShaman

Jan-16-14 8:20 AM

"Unless you build something that creates wealth, which a hamburger does not, you cannot re-create a dying middle-class without doing certain things, one being, to place a moratorium on immigration both legal and illegal, there would be more than enough jobs available for those Americans who are currently out of work." - CarlHiller

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...As-soon-as "conservatives" (in Congress) desist with doing what they can, to sabotage any-and-all instances of an improving economy.

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nobud74

Jan-16-14 8:21 AM

You're suggesting the LESS-laborious your "activities" are...the LESS you should have to PAY (in taxes)???? --Shammy

Uh, by that do you mean that those who have the most calloused hands should pay the least taxes? Where on earth do you get these ideas?

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MrShaman

Jan-16-14 8:25 AM

"So the young people are being taken because ObamaCare is relying on them to fund the program for elderly. But wait, that is what they wanted because they supported Obama in his initial and reelection efforts. Now they are not signing up for ObamaCare and leaving the system underfunded." - ToTEXASfromPA

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You need to come-up (from outta your bunker) for fresh air, more-often.

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See:

Insurance Companies Are Optimistic About Obamacare: ‘We’re All-In, And We’re Happy We Are’

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enigma

Jan-16-14 8:26 AM

"Why hire people and raise wages when you can spend those long winter nights in the Cayman Islands counting your money." - Jay

Because that's how you make more money. You see Jay, these people are rich because they like to make money, not because they like to count money. They will hire people because that's how you make money. People who didn't really earn their money like Congressmen and Senators go to the Cayman Islands and count their money. Business men want their companies to grow and that means jobs. You can call it greed if you want, but it's greed that works for all of us. It's the greed in Congress that is hurting us, and it's simple minded thinking like this that has put these greedy people in office.

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nobud74

Jan-16-14 8:26 AM

idiot nailed it. Thank you.

The impending financial cliff cannot be solved by keeping someone from vacationing in the Caymans. You can take every nickle from everyone making over 50K per year in the US and every nickle from every corp in the US and you cannot balance the budget and pay for the promised programs. There simply is not enough money. The only glimmer of hope is to cut spending, eliminate spending growth in programs that are left, expand the economy to employ more people and to raise taxes on EVERYONE (even if you get free stuff from the rest of us). But, that would mean we would be labeled as mean, greedy, heartless, etc., etc.

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MrShaman

Jan-16-14 8:29 AM

I can't believe there are that many people who are "breaking" much of a "sweat", gambling on Wall Street” …..MrShaman…….

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"If it were not for these “Gamblers”, where do you think these companies would be?" - Steelman

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Hey...you make a profit (i.e. INCOME)...you pay taxes...just like everyone-else.

Problem solved.

You REALLY find that concept much-too-complex to understand??

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Premier

Jan-16-14 8:32 AM

Sham: "You need to come-up (from outta your bunker) for fresh air, more-often.

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See:

Insurance Companies Are Optimistic About Obamacare: ‘We’re All-In, And We’re Happy We Are’"

Of course their "happy" Shammy. They are the only ones guaranteed under Obamacare not to lose. Any loss is back by taxpayer money.

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nobud74

Jan-16-14 8:37 AM

Thwack!!! Enigma blasts a grand slam outa the park! Great post. They won't get it.

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Premier

Jan-16-14 8:37 AM

Sham do a little research through that gigantic database of yours and realize you don't make a "profit" by going to work and earning an "income."

2 words, 2 totally different meanings.

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enigma

Jan-16-14 8:38 AM

Why are we still whining about jobs and unemployment compensation? Obama has already fixed everything..., or was he lying about that? Was he lying about the millions of jobs created? Is the improvement in the stock market just because the FED is buying a trillion dollars of stock each year with money created out of thin air? Is the recovery in the GDP due solely to increased government spending? If the recovery isn't complete fiction, why do we need to extend unemployment benefits? The answer is that the recovery is made up and we will never have a real recovery with the policies of this administration. Now what are you going to do about it?

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Steelman

Jan-16-14 8:40 AM

Hey...you make a profit (i.e. INCOME)...you pay taxes...just like everyone-else. Problem solved. You REALLY find that concept much-too-complex to understand??…..MrShaman Way to pick and choose the parts of the topic that you want to refute, without having an explanation for the entire statement. You should run for congress.

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MrShaman

Jan-16-14 8:41 AM

"You're suggesting the LESS-laborious your "activities" are...the LESS you should have to PAY (in taxes)???? --Shammy

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Uh, by that do you mean that those who have the most calloused hands should pay the least taxes? Where on earth do you get these ideas?" - nobud74

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No...I'm suggesting Capital-gains should be taxed, at the SAME rate as direct-income.

If the folks, with the LEAST-calloused hands (the ones "conservatives" refer-to as the "sissified") can't understand this concept, it's more-than-likely a result o' their eliti$t up-bringing.

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See:

The Estate Tax & The Fiscal Cliff: How'd We Do?

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