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A simple solution

January 19, 2014

I propose a simple and sensible solution to end the conflict over gay marriage. The government should get out of the marriage business. Perio....

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Jan-22-14 3:59 AM

Doc, bringing up HIV/AIDS isn't a low blow. It's a fact. And it's affected millions of gays, bisexuals and heterosexuals. Its spread was primarily through unprotected gay sex. I've never personally encountered an AIDS victim, but by all accounts it's a horrible way to die.

If you want to read the studies do a google search. I personally read it in a book, but I can't remember at this point which book I was reading. It gave references to the studies done. I can tell you, from what I remember, that AIDS wasn't the primary cause of the lower life expectancy. Alcohol and Drug use, depression and suicide, higher rates of violence among partners and other health factors caused by stress and the act itself were all mentioned in the article I read.

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Jan-21-14 8:57 PM

I propose a much cheaper and simpler solution: People like you learn to live with the fact that the word "marriage" can be used in many ways just like many other words in the English dictionary. Acceptance of another persons life choices is not going to kill you.

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Jan-21-14 8:45 AM

Mikekerstetter: Where are these 'studies' that say life expectancy is shorter? Bringing up HIV/AIDS is a low blow to the LGBT community and to your friends/family who are gay. HIV/AIDS is in ALL communities with one of the MOST prominent are "straight" men on the downlow having sex with men and infecting their wives and/or girlfriends. Could you post where you saw these 'studies'? Back in the late 80's/early 90's before HIV/AIDS was understood yes life expectancy was shorter for gay men HOWEVER that has significantly changed due to modern meds, education, etc. Look at some new data, not the old data that suits your own agenda. Maybe you can toss in a Bible verse or two as well.

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Jan-20-14 10:54 PM

No Dick, you said my name three times, told me to take a breath, said Yikes, and used a total of six exclamation points.

There was nothing breathless about my post. It did not warrant that condescending, hysterical response. Your failure to see that and then put the blame back on me suggests maybe you should direct your comments elsewhere. I have enough trolls to deal with.

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Jan-20-14 6:02 PM

Ritty- All I said was that gov't does not have any business in anyone's marriage. As far as me going to **** myself, that's a pretty strong rebuttal to a different opinion. I hope you and your gov't managed marriage works well. By the way, where did marriage originate?

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Jan-20-14 10:52 AM

Doc, the homophobe argument doesn't work with me. I've got family and quite a few friends who are gay. They respect my opinion and I respect theirs. It is possible to disagree without being disagreeable.

You say "The Bible thumpers are trying to control government using the Bible.' Well, yeah, since that is where we get our moral values from, it would stand to reason that is the case. And, since all laws are made to regulate morals of one type or another, the question becomes whose morals are we using as a basis for our laws.

If, as you say, the LGBTI community wanted equal rights under the law, they could have done so without redefining marriage, which has been around for thousands of years and has always been a man and a woman.

There are studies that found that gay sex and the gay lifestyle shorten the participants life span by many years due to disease, stress and unhealthy living. So it's not just a social issue. All one has to so is look at the HIV/AIDS problem.

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Jan-20-14 10:30 AM

mikekerstetter: You missed the point. It's not'just because' it's accepted. The LGBT folk want EQUAL RIGHTS as once the Blacks i.e.LEGAL rights. LEGAL RIGHTS are not religious other than BIBLE THUMPERS use it to suit their own agenda. Homosexuality is naturally occurring in man as well as 450 species. If you are human, white, black, asian, gay, straight,etc. you deserve the same LEGAL rights!! The Bible thumpers are trying to control government using the Bible while many are suppressing their own sexuality by hiding behind it.Homophobia is a fear based phobia. However the basis of that 'fear' for MANY is the fear someone will find out they've been down the gay road or considered it. They hide behind overt Homophobic, Bible thumping in fear someone will find out about their gay indiscretions or desires. Marriage is not about religion it's about legal rights. People 'choose' to include religion in their ceremony it's a 'choice'!! Over decades religion has been convoluted with legalities

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Jan-19-14 7:10 PM

t Relene, not everyone is a Christian.

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Jan-19-14 6:01 PM

"Marriage can be defined any way you prefer to define it"

Marriage is not defined any way we prefer it to...for we as Christians, it is defined as one man/one woman, as God defines it.

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Jan-19-14 5:59 PM

z'Rev. Moon had the solution--He was the ONLY one who picked marriage partners for ALL church members! They had no choice--believe he was Christian and used Bible to justify his actions.z'

Now, who is trolling, being racist and a bigot?

As a Christian, this type of commentary could be offensive, but I choose to consider the source.

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Jan-19-14 3:48 PM

Marriage can be defined any way you prefer to define it. A legal contract can be between individuals no matter how you choose to define their relationship. The main question here is what benefits and rights are accorded the relationship.

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Jan-19-14 1:26 PM

Who cares? Ritty you were spot on.

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Jan-19-14 11:31 AM

I think most missed the point.

We do not need the gov't to define what is marriage....of any kind.

Yes, it is a legal contract that any two (or more) people could draw up with a lawyer.

We do not need the gov't to do that.

But, now that marriage has been redefined to be, essentially, meaningless, the term can be used to cover polygamy, **********, objecticum, etc.

There is no basis to deny marriage to any group that wishes to have it.

The LTE was suggesting eliminating gov't from the equation and using legal contracts instead.

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Jan-19-14 11:12 AM

Rev. Moon had the solution--He was the ONLY one who picked marriage partners for ALL church members! They had no choice--believe he was Christian and used Bible to justify his actions.

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Jan-19-14 11:11 AM

Doc, ask the J ews in Germany if the norm of the 1930's and 1940's made it right.

My point being, just because a society accepts something doesn't necessarily make it right.

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Jan-19-14 11:06 AM

We should respect the beliefs of others, but that doesn’t mean those beliefs should be imposed upon everyone else by the force of government. Those beliefs also shouldn’t be a basis for punishing others by law for personal choices that are considered wrong by a particular belief, but don’t infringe upon the right’s of others.

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Jan-19-14 10:51 AM

Gay marriage issues have are convoluted because of the 'religious' fanatics/homophobes using the Bible as their 'source' against it. Marriage is a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT, has NOTHING to do with religion UNLESS you choose to make a ceremony religious based. Technically when you register your car, you could turn that event into a religious ceremony as well, however it's just a LEGAL issue. The Bible thumpers have a right to their opinion however the Bible is not the be all/end all. There are plenty of laws and legislation NOT in the Bible no one seems to be concerned with. If you look at the age range it's older folks who grew up in the anti-gay 50's, 60's, 70's, etc. Ask any 16-30 year old now and the 'stigma' has changed and religion is declining! Many over 60 still use the "N" word it was the 'norm' in their youth and thumpin' that Bible against Black's having rights. In a few years gay marriage will be the norm like Black rights. It's coming like or not!!!

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Jan-19-14 10:28 AM

Ritty, I too like Rick, had to hit Agree on your comments.

With that said, I have to ask why the focus of the gay marriage thing is more on the "abomination" of the sex act between same sex individuals rather than the deep love, commitment, and devotion between these individuals.

I get why the state has to be involved in marriage: custody of children, division of property, taxation, etc. The state does, however, need to stay out of the bedroom.

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Jan-19-14 10:24 AM

It's true, that as far as the Government is concerned, it's a legal contract.

That doesn't change the fact that the Word of God says that Marriage was instituted by God and is one man and one woman. I'm convinced, as I stated before, that, one day in the not to distant future, a Pastor who refuses to officiate at a gay marriage or anyone who calls homosexuality a sin or an abomination before God (both from the Word of God) will be labeled a hater and be prosecuted for it.

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Jan-19-14 10:05 AM

Ritty is dead on point. Whatever you call it, it's a legal contract and that's the limit of government involvement.

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Jan-19-14 9:51 AM

Good post Ritty!

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Jan-19-14 9:50 AM

Thanks, Rick. People seem to have this gay marriage thing backwards. Opponents base their opposition on religious grounds, or it's just weird, or it changes the meaning of the word. That's all fine with me.

But supporters aren't looking for others' approval, they're looking for the LEGAL rights and responsibilities that come with being married legally, and if they want a religious ceremony, fine, find a religion that sanctions it.

But surely, one way to turn people against any religious discussion is to be unnecessarily and instantly repellent, like Mr. Zook.

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Jan-19-14 9:34 AM

I am sorry Ritty but I had to hit the agree button on your comments.

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Jan-19-14 9:10 AM

My parents were married at the the magistrate's office. There was no religion involved.

Does your guide book say anything about being respectful when directing a comment to someone? Re-read that part. In the meantime, go **** yourself.

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Jan-19-14 8:38 AM

Ritty, Ritty, Ritty.... take a breath! Yikes!!!! My guide book, the Bible, says nothing about gov't controlled marriage. I went down to the court house to register our marriage and then a Pastor married my wife and I. Gov't only gets involved for taxation purposes. Big Brother has no civil reason to be involved as it's between Man and God.

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