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January 20, 2014

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USABorn

Jan-21-14 6:22 PM

MrShaman - 9:18 AM

"Communist." - ToTEXASfromPA

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TEXAN!!!!!!!"

Sham your drivel is sickening. Texas is from Muncy.....born and raised. He just happened to get a job that took him to Texas. What is your excuse?

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Meldan27

Jan-21-14 11:10 AM

To Mr. Shaman.

See:

Government Involvement In The Terri Schiavo Case [Wikipedia]

Really you think we believe something you pulled of Wikipedia. I think you need to get off YouTube and Wikipedia and start finding legit sources. I think it was you who even told us to referance John Stewarts daily show. You should not even be allowed on here with these kind of resources. And have you ever looked at the policy's on Obama websites for healthcare. A 6500 dollar deductible is not affordable for me sorry. If I were in an accident with a deductible like that I'd be screwed

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mikekerstetter

Jan-21-14 3:33 AM

eriklatranyi-"Mike: Do you read any of the horror stories from the UK or Japan about their healthcare system?"

Yes, and for every 'horror story' I hear about somewhere else I can find one here in the US.

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eriklatranyi

Jan-20-14 9:01 PM

Mike:

Do you read any of the horror stories from the UK or Japan about their healthcare system?

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farmer

Jan-20-14 7:51 PM

" If the government says you can't have the treatment, you don't get it, even if you are willing to pay for it yourself" enigma

"All I am doing is looking at how government has acted in the recent past and assuming that this is how they will act in the immediate future" enigma

Ok, for the moment, let's forget that I think this whole statement is ridiculous. I'll just point out that in your first comment you state it as a given fact, but when someone calls you on it, it's now an assumption. There's a pattern here.

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JohnZook

Jan-20-14 5:40 PM

Al, thanks for your service and your willingness to go back to Nam for your bros. BUT, you seem to have picked up SSGT Barnes in Full Metal Jacket (you gotta die sometime). Babies are our future to populate and run the country. And old folks like us are needed for our lifetime of experience and our acquired wisdom. Everybody has something to contribute to a free society, whether now or in the future. It's time to come back home from the war, son. You're needed here....

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mikekerstetter

Jan-20-14 5:17 PM

Erik, you are naive if you think rationing is not already occurring for the millions of uninsured/underinsured in this country.

I have an excellent health plan. My son had to wait for 4 months to see the hand specialist in ortho when he needed corrective surgery due to a bone break. I, myself, am currently waiting over 3 months to see a neurology specialist.

I'm not buying the horror stories being thrown around about universal health care because the truth is it is happening right here within our own system.

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eriklatranyi

Jan-20-14 4:58 PM

Mike:

You are naïve if you think single payer does not lead to rationing.

Show me a country that has single payer that does not ration care.

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Scott36

Jan-20-14 4:51 PM

mikekerstetter, Thank you for a reasoned response. IMO, This law does need a lot of work, & has many problems. That being said, I do not think the road we were on was a sustainable one. JMO-Scott

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Scott36

Jan-20-14 4:45 PM

enigma, I get it, you made it up. figures-LOL

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Alsever

Jan-20-14 4:12 PM

And just what is wrong with "Death Panels"?

As a young man doing 3 tours in Viet Nam, I saw medical triagfes many times. Those wounded the least were the first to get attention so they could be sent back into the fight; those wounded the worst were put out in the sun to die; those who were expected to live were worked on secondly.

If we can put 18 year old boys out in the sun to die, why can't we do away with old people sucking up medical care that will not save them anyway?

Why is everyone afraid to die? Don't want to smoke crack with Jesus?

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mikekerstetter

Jan-20-14 4:00 PM

Scott and Farmer, for what it's worth, I'm not buying the majority of the right wing talking points on Obamacare and/or the 'horror stories' predicted for Universal Health care if it ever comes about.

Don't get me wrong, I think the ACA is a train wreck and will never work, but my opinion has nothing to do with 'death panels', 'rationing' or 'the government deciding what treatments you can have.' People ought to stick to facts, rather than scare tactics.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-20-14 3:54 PM

eriklatranyi-"I just love how liberals have total trust that Obamacare is going to never ration, never restrict choices when President Obama, himself, lied for years about keeping your plan if you like it, keeping your doctor if you like them, etc."

I'm not Liberal by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't believe it either. Obamacare is, mostly, a mandate that people buy insurance from private companies if they don't already have it and that certain employers provide coverage for employees. If anything, Obamacare is mandating coverage that people don't need or want. I'm just not seeing it.

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eriklatranyi

Jan-20-14 2:49 PM

I just love how liberals have total trust that Obamacare is going to never ration, never restrict choices when President Obama, himself, lied for years about keeping your plan if you like it, keeping your doctor if you like them, etc.

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enigma

Jan-20-14 1:50 PM

Scott, I didn't say I memorized the bill, I said I read it. I can tell you much of what it says, but I cannot tell you the section and paragraph. Maybe if you took the time you spend speaking from a perspective of ignorance on this forum, you would have time to read the bill. Or you could just refuse to believe what anyone else tells you even though you're too lazy to find out for yourself. Another option is to just wait until you need a very expensive treatment and find out that the rationing board says no. Maybe this will sound familiar, "just give grandma a pill".

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enigma

Jan-20-14 1:42 PM

farmer, Why are my statements so outrageous? They are based on things the Obama administration has already done, so why do you think that health care will be treated differently? All I am doing is looking at how government has acted in the recent past and assuming that this is how they will act in the immediate future. Most people would consider that to be perfectly reasonable. You assume that in spite of evidence to the contrary, that the government will act in a way that is fair and proper. That's just dangerously naïve.

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Scott36

Jan-20-14 1:36 PM

I read the bill.-enigma

Ok, I personally do not have time to read a bill of this length--so could you kindly direct me to the specific section where this is "made law"? Thanks-Scott

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Scott36

Jan-20-14 1:34 PM

Where are they?-farmer

Fair question. I am of the thought that most level headed people tend to dismiss "way out in orbit" statements. This is a very "red" area, not that there is anything wrong with that, but when challenging certain opinions, perceptions, or any "conservative principle", one risks stirring the entire henhouse. Some may feel that the effort is not worth it. For whatever it is worth, I personally feel you are one of the better posters, both in ideas & being informed.-Scott

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enigma

Jan-20-14 1:33 PM

This is the first time I have heard this. Could you please tell me precisely where you got this information?-Scott

I read the bill.

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farmer

Jan-20-14 12:30 PM

" If the government says you can't have the treatment, you don't get it, even if you are willing to pay for it yourself" enigma

"Your political affiliation will almost certainly have bearing on your access to healthcare" enigma

Where does he come up with this crap?

I believe this is why the founding fathers wanted to limit the right to vote to only those men who had wealth and or land. The assumption was these men would be smart enough to participate in a debate and educated enough to make wise choices when it came to deciding on important issues of the day. What we have here is enigma not liking a policy, but instead of coming up with an intelligent argument, he just pulls these ridiculous statements out of thin air. Liberal or Conservative, there are plenty of intelligent people posting comments here, who I believe should be outing statements like these. Where are they?

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Scott36

Jan-20-14 11:50 AM

hopeforfuture,

Regarding your 10:40 post. I am on most issues to the left, My wife(same political views-mostly)& I have helped many people in the same ways you have mentioned. We have never considered it to be a "political" choice, but rather it being a matter of simply doing what a decent, moral person should do.-JMO-Scott

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Scott36

Jan-20-14 11:38 AM

If the government says you can't have the treatment, you don't get it, even if you are willing to pay for it yourself-enigma

This is the first time I have heard this. Could you please tell me precisely where you got this information?-Scott

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CMReeder

Jan-20-14 11:11 AM

How do you know they are not helping themselves?

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CMReeder

Jan-20-14 11:10 AM

You want on it on your terms and you are not helping others just yourself.

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hopeforfuture

Jan-20-14 10:40 AM

CMReeder-

Well I guess I am different. Right wing in that I think everyone CAN do for themselves. Helping family and neighbors but not outright giving all my funds which I do not have much anyway. I have allowed people to live with us for various reasons until they are able to do for themselves. The left wants to take everything I have and give to someone who does not want to help themselves and think that the government (me) owes them.

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