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Big picture of police pursuit deaths

January 19, 2014

High-speed police chases cost the life of one bystander, on average, each year in Pennsylvania, according to statistics compiled by the state police Bureau of Research and Development....

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localguy

Jan-22-14 7:57 AM

Dan, I dont have any deep seeded animosity towards you. I think your a sad person that likes to complain about anything and everything. You post your life all over the internet and your ramblings are out there. I actually feel sorry for you because you are a nice guy or were but what happened to you? You hate the Police for what reason? What did they do to you? Hate that officer, whoever it was; that wronged you. Don't think all Police Officers are bad because they aren't.

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Godzilla1

Jan-21-14 12:25 PM

One saving grace in this quagmire is that PSP are lead investigators that will hopefully not allow Foresman to hide evidence allowing the statue of limitations to run out as he did in the infamous pin case. All of these facts are part of public record! A changing of the guard is in order! Irregardless of the exact cause of the deadly crash it is only a symptom of a larger disease within the police department. They are way understaffed, questionable retention of training and poor leadership! Feel very sorry for the latest victim in the war on HE***N, it was unnecessary and shameful! No matter how you look at it!

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Godzilla1

Jan-21-14 12:17 PM

As for the reference of Yoxtheimer spewing bull Local guy I to know of scumbag wife abusing cops in this town and funny how you refer to someone having said that you had your wife tied up in the basement. That to occurred with a city officer in the past doing just that. I also recall an officer running over his estranged wife and stll retaining his job. I know of several incidents of PFA's placed against officers one was promoted to chief. Absolulty agree that this deparment is out of control it has no leadership or direction. The young guns run rampant and the seasoned cops are disrespected by these snot nose cowboys that think they know it all. Police departments are to be run like the military not a classroom of ADD kindergartens. That's why this incident occurred! Poor leadership from the get go when the mayor promoted Foresman a spousal abuser with questionable moral and ethical behaviors. I agree with Bill resignations from Miller and Foresman are in order.

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localguy

Jan-21-14 10:03 AM

Dan, that last comment by you on being #69 in the comment list was so far off base!!! You seriously need a mental evaluation. Getting fired fromt two jobs in 2013 and your so called stand up bit, hating the Police and red necks you've got issues that are deep seeded. Please do us a favor and stop your spewing of bull.

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Millwe

Jan-20-14 10:40 PM

To wbppio-where do you get your information? Care to share how you know details "rookie cop at gunpoint"? Also, the Sun-Gazette states they have a copy of the Williamsport Bureau of Police Pursuit policy. So, where is it? No, criminals don't study these, either. I have the highest respect for the Pa. State Police for many reasons. I appreciate Trooper Knight's intelligence and honesty with regard to high speed pursuits. Additionally, the State police are constantly educated, trained and learning new skills. Why aren't the officers in Wmspt. mandated to do this? Improper training and inadequate supervision is a dangerous combination with regard to liability, for the city and its residents. I am aware of the state vehicle code, so I am not getting the point Mr. Lubin was trying to make, is there one? The only reason this policy is not made public, if it exits, is to try to minimize damage of a lawsuit. You don't even have to be a lawyer to see this one coming!

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wbppio

Jan-20-14 4:11 PM

The Williamsport Bureau of Police respects the Pennsylvania State Police' professionalism and efforts in their continuing investigation of the tragic accident involving one of our police vehicles. Williamsport Police Officer Jonathan Deprenda was involved in an on-duty traffic accident while responding to back-up a rookie Williamsport officer’s radio transmission of having a suspect at gun point. That crash claimed the life of John David Robinson, 42 of Williamsport. The investigation of any traffic fatality is a lengthy and intricate process involving many, many hours of evidence gathering, measurements, photographs, interviews, follow-ups, tests and paperwork, etc. The fact that this accident involves a law enforcement officer and vehicle adds even more time to the process. We understand that the victim's family, friends and our community is looking for information and answers. We ask that everyone respect the process being undertaken by Pennsylvania State Police.

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localguy

Jan-20-14 3:27 PM

So, in custodial work you were confronted with spousal abusing scumbags; some of whom were Cops? I do not find DD disturbingly charming, I find it hilarious at their antics. But then again, you've told me I am a red neck that has my wife tied up in my basement!

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ArtFold

Jan-20-14 2:19 PM

Yoxthrimer said; "If I was in Colorado I could get high but unfortunately I'm in alcoholic wife beating Williamsport Pa!" So know we know you want to smoke weed and as far as "alcoholic wife beating" ... projecting much?

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Fredzz

Jan-20-14 1:12 PM

Mike;

"" the law states that you are to 'pull to the right as far as possible and stop', not look for a convenient place to pull over. ""

What IF he looked in his rear view mirror, saw headlights on a car 200 feet behind him, and made a legal left-hand turn onto the street he intended from the time he started driving his automobile..! ??

Or is it Ok too crash into someone as long as they wear a badge...

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Snydbob

Jan-20-14 12:56 PM

Has anyone considered that Mr. Robinson may have paniced because there is nowhere at that intersection to pull over to the right so he tried to move onto Railway to get out of the way. He had no idea that the officer would try to pass him on the left just as the officer had no idea that Robinson was going to turn left to get out of the way. Wrong place, wrong time. We all need to let the SP investigate and we all need to move on. My condolences to the Robinson family and to the officer living with his involvement in a death.

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wwhickok

Jan-20-14 12:10 PM

-- continued --

No, I do not. I believe their "brothers in blue" are.

I don't know the officer involved in this incident and I don't know the details of what happened, what I do know is that based on everything we've heard and been able to read, something just doesn't sound right. Something sounds...sketchy.

That badge you wear is not an authority to push people around and do whatever you want. It is committment to enforce and obey the law.

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wwhickok

Jan-20-14 12:08 PM

I truly believe who a police officer is as a person and who a police officer is when he is on duty are two completely different people, in most cases.

One of the biggest issues I feel that exist with police officers is that they believe they are invincible, that they can treat people however they want and do whatever they want because they wear a badge.

Think about it, how often to see a cop flying down the highway, no flashing lights or anything, clearly well above the speed limit. What makes them special? What makes them "above the law".

In this instance, someone lost their life because of how a police officer chose to conduct himself and conduct procedure. It happens far too often if it happens even once.

Public safety should be their # priority not protecting each other from allowing the public to know the truth of such incidents.

Am I saying all cops are dirty? No, I'm not. However, do I think that the public is their #1 priority when they put on that badge?

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karenharris

Jan-20-14 11:54 AM

I am surprised that there is so little discussion about the purpose and worthiness (lack of it)of a chase. Williamsport is the Wild East these days as the drillers have taken over the land, and the primary purpose of the police is to protect the gas interests. All this talk about drugs, and pretend McQueens, is an effort to justify their tax-sponsored security forces. Wake up Williamsport!

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localguy

Jan-20-14 11:20 AM

Dan, this was your last comment! "Oh an I've encountered a lot spousal abusing scumbags in this town over the years. Some of them cops!" Yea right Dan, I call that bluff!!! You really hate Duck Dynasty and ******** don't you Dan? How is your absurd new year going, by the way?

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MrShaman

Jan-20-14 8:10 AM

"This could EASILY have been a case of a too-inexperienced driver thinking getting-OFF 3rd Street was the wiser-choice. I think it might ALSO be a case of a local-officer NOT expecting "the unexpected"...and, "keeping his vehicle under control, at all times".

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"That rogue outta control cowboy cop should have invoked his powers of levitation." - BillTriumph

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You're (obviously) assuming he's fully-completed his levitation-training.

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BillTriumph

Jan-20-14 7:54 AM

This could EASILY have been a case of a too-inexperienced driver thinking getting-OFF 3rd Street was the wiser-choice. I think it might ALSO be a case of a local-officer NOT expecting "the unexpected"...and, "keeping his vehicle under control, at all times".

That rogue outta control cowboy cop should have invoked his powers of levitation.

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localguy

Jan-20-14 7:49 AM

Dan Yoxtheimer, serioulsy get a life! You really shouldn't be throwing stones in any case. You always want to reference "williamsport residents as alcoholic wife beaters", maybe you fit that category. Well then you reference getting high, so maybe thats your deal. Dan, for hating this town so much, you've never left, why? You always strived for more but seemed to fall way short. Read the Penn Live article and see their take. It sure does make sense now doesn't it. Like I've said, nobody has the answers but PSP and until they have released the info maybe the people who slam the police should stop.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-20-14 6:55 AM

MrShaman-"If people KNOW the PD's policy is to "break off" a chase...when speeds reach a certain-point...it could easily encourage the next person to go "above-and-beyond" such speeds...not exactly what the general-public would appreciate. Such policies have BEEN an issue, for DECADES (nationwide)."

Something we agree on.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-20-14 6:54 AM

MrShaman-"I think MOST locals recognize there IS nowhere to "pull-over", in that location."

Shaman, the law states that you are to 'pull to the right as far as possible and stop', not look for a convenient place to pull over.

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MrShaman

Jan-20-14 6:04 AM

"Yoxtheimer, go home. Your high." - BillTriumph

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His high what??

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MrShaman

Jan-20-14 6:00 AM

"What if it's found that Mr Robertson, for whatever reason, failed to obey the law and pull over to the right and stop? From the article on Pennlive it appears that he may have attempted to turn left as the officer tried to pass instead of pulling over as required." - mikekerstetter

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I think MOST locals recognize there IS nowhere to "pull-over", in that location.

This could EASILY have been a case of a too-inexperienced driver thinking getting-OFF 3rd Street was the wiser-choice. I think it might ALSO be a case of a local-officer NOT expecting "the unexpected"...and, "keeping his vehicle under control, at all times".

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MrShaman

Jan-20-14 5:48 AM

"Kertsetter, Have you lived in Williamsport for very long?! We practically have Chris Christie as mayor & the cops from 1930s Chicago!" - Yoxtheimer

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You're QUITE-obviously too-young to remember the Williamsport PD of the late-'60s/early-'70s.

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MrShaman

Jan-20-14 5:42 AM

"And "secret" policies!? What are they claiming "National Security" The city must think it's the federal gov't. Sounds like Nazi Germany to me...You know laws and codes that you can't read or know." - budsatawny

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If people KNOW the PD's policy is to "break off" a chase...when speeds reach a certain-point...it could easily encourage the next person to go "above-and-beyond" such speeds...not exactly what the general-public would appreciate. Such policies have BEEN an issue, for DECADES (nationwide).

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MrShaman

Jan-20-14 5:33 AM

"Oh yeah legalize marijuana in Pennsylvania!!" - Yoxtheimer

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Gee..."Thanks" for being such an "eloquent" spokesperson.

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mikekerstetter

Jan-20-14 5:25 AM

JohnMBower-"this is a secret law that impacts private citizens."

The law regarding driving emergency vehicles is no secret. 2010 Pennsylvania Code Title 75 - VEHICLES Chapter 31 - General Provisions 3105 - Drivers of emergency vehicles.

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