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Different rules?

January 22, 2014

The administration of the Williamsport Police just doesn't get it....

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JerryfromRI

Jan-22-14 5:57 AM

"Clearly, the police administration believes they are entitled to operate under a different set of rules than the ones they apply to us."

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This is true, the rules the police operate under are secret, evidently by state law, for our own protection we are told.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jan-22-14 6:22 AM

The death of Mr. Robinson was very tragic and my prayers and sympathies go out to the family, friends, and fans.

And my question is this, what does everyone one expect to happen out of this? Termination of the officer? Criminal charges against the officer and if so what would be the charge? Civil lawsuit against the officer? A release of all the information after an investigation? Financial settlement? An apology to the family? A change in police/city policy in pursuit of an "offender"; if so what do you propose?

How would we treat this tragic event if it wasn't a police officer that caused it? How would we treat this event if the officer was going the speed limit, or 5 mph over, or 25 mph over, or 50 mph over the limit?

Should a police officer be held to the same criteria as a normal citizen or does he/she have some additional latitude/protection to discharge their job? When is something considered an accident as compared to pre-meditated?

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idiottwo

Jan-22-14 6:27 AM

they certainly need to look into the mirror, but I think we need to know all of the facts. Did the police car hit this persons car? What rate of speed was the other car going? I'm not sure I understand how all the pieces fit.

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Garben78

Jan-22-14 6:39 AM

It's all going to come down to what dollar amount we can put on the Robinson fellows life. It will eventually be a civil trial with the city settling out of court for a unspecified amount and yes in the end everyone will pay as tragic as it is.

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hopeforfuture

Jan-22-14 6:54 AM

Do we ever know every detail of every accident? Go watch NCIS and play detective where they have all the answers.

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Tgrammiex4

Jan-22-14 7:11 AM

Information has not been forthcoming on this and probably won't be till the investigation is done. All i have read is that they were traveling in the same direction.I'm guessing this was just a tragic accident, a split second error on one of thier parts that ended this man's life.I think the best we can hope for is that the Dept. reviews thier policies on high speed chases occurring in town in traffic.This man's life can not be restored, and the Officer has to live with this the rest of his life.We can't let this man die in vain, make changes so no one dies like this again.

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enigma

Jan-22-14 7:12 AM

Texas, You ask what people expect to happen out of this. I expect nothing to happen. Now if you ask what I think should happen, that's a different answer. I think we should get all of the information. I'm not talking about the departments pursuit policy. I agree that should be confidential, but the details of the accident should not. There is no other case in which the details that are being kept secret would not have been released. This case is being handled much differently because it involves a policeman. There are some rules that differ for the police in the line of duty, but they have no right to be shielded from public scrutiny. This is done to protect the police officer, which is something not afforded to any other citizen. People who say we don't have all the facts are correct, and that is precisely the problem.

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Tgrammiex4

Jan-22-14 7:14 AM

Hope- leave NCIS out of this! Gibbs would of had this figured out in less than an hour, he always does,LOL.

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spike2

Jan-22-14 7:57 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong. In't this the lawyer who filed civilly against the agent and is now asking for a very large payment for himself?Let this man's family have a funeral and grieve. I'm sure they will know when and if to consult with someone.We already had junior detectives, are we adding in ambulance chasers? Is there anything the family needs, if anyone knows?

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eriklatranyi

Jan-22-14 7:57 AM

The people who make conclusions without FACTS are irresponsible, juvenile and criminal.

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farmer

Jan-22-14 8:13 AM

"There is no other case in which the details that are being kept secret would not have been released" enigma

Excuse me but, have you never heard the statement "we have no comment while the investigation is on going"?

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MrShaman

Jan-22-14 8:27 AM

It seems like the police administration is willing to consider any factor, so long as it does not involve looking in the mirror and questioning how its own training and policies may have contributed to the accident which cost James Robinson his life." - Michael Zicolello

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I'd say it's a "little" early to make that assumption.

Granted, it would make sense if ALL police-departments (nationwide) adopted the same, exact standards...regarding when to "break-off" pursuits...but, it's fairly-obvious that's not the case.

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MrShaman

Jan-22-14 8:34 AM

"There is no other case in which the details that are being kept secret would not have been released" - enigma

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Excuse me but, have you never heard the statement "we have no comment while the investigation is on going"?" - farmer

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I'm assuming you've forgotten you're addressing a lot o' T-Baggers, here...you know...those (same) folks who had NO TIME for any (such) investigations, before they started asking for Hillary Clinton's/Barack Obama's heads...before any investigations had (even) been launched; post-Benghazi.

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Capricorn1

Jan-22-14 8:39 AM

I'll be the first one to support our policemen and firemen, but what many seem to be forgetting, this officer works for the city. We the citizens are the city. The officer works for us and we pay his salary. This is not a criminal case against a citizen where the police often withhold information, this is a tragedy that has brought into question the actions of an officer that works for us and we deserve transparency at every stage of the investigation.

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enigma

Jan-22-14 8:40 AM

"The people who make conclusions without FACTS are irresponsible, juvenile and criminal." - erik

Really? Criminal? I don't think so. I also don't agree that we don't have the facts. Fact #1: This accident involve extremely high speed. We won't know just how high until the State Police release their report and maybe not then, because they may leave it out to protect a fellow officer. But we do know that it was a very high speed from the damage done. Fact #2: The officer involved in the accident was not in the area of the pursuit and now the WBP is telling us that the pursuit was over (IMO just one of the contradictions we will be seeing). Fact #3: It has been over a week and we don't have any new information. Traffic accident investigations don't take that long. A preliminary report should be available at the very least, unless a cover-up is in the works. The longer they keep us waiting for the details, the more you can be sure they have been altered.

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enigma

Jan-22-14 8:48 AM

Excuse me but, have you never heard the statement "we have no comment while the investigation is on going"?" - farmer

Yes I have heard that, but it is for ongoing investigations in which evidence is still being gathered and in which divulging details could hinder the investigation. That is not the case in a traffic accident investigation. All of the evidence has been gathered and all of the witnesses have been interviewed. Making the information public would not hinder the investigation, it would only hinder their ability to alter the evidence. There is no valid reason for withholding the details and it would not be done if the accident did not involve a police officer. But if you want to give the police a pass every time they kill an innocent civilian, that's your right. Just keep in mind that someday, that innocent civilian might be you or a member of your family.

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SteelerFan

Jan-22-14 9:02 AM

I think Attorney Zicolello is not practicing 'Innocent until proven guilty' in this case.

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enigma

Jan-22-14 9:13 AM

For those of you who think I'm being unfair to the police in this, just think back a few months to the fatal accident on route 80 between a bus and a tractor trailer. The next day we had the names of both drivers, and the injured passenger. We knew how many passengers went to each of the local hospitals and their conditions. Within a couple of days we knew how fast the truck and the bus were going. We knew everything about that accident. We didn't get any of this wait until the investigation is complete. It took days just to get the officer's name in this case and if not for the insistence of the people, we wouldn't have it yet. Yes, there is a different set of rules for the police and it's not good for public relations or for the public. I for one have had enough of government officials and employees being given special treatment when it comes to the law, but maybe it's just me.

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Tgrammiex4

Jan-22-14 9:36 AM

In an accident involing private parties, the only impact it has on the taxpayers is the cost of emergency services provided. In the event of an accident involving a public servant, ultimately the cost could fall on the taxpayers. I think this is why they are waiting till the investigation is complete to release information.

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mahs81

Jan-22-14 9:48 AM

MrShaman, I am so glad that you and your special friend patched things up so you can get back to your preferred activity.

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eriklatranyi

Jan-22-14 10:09 AM

I just don't see the conspiracy here.

The Williamsport Police did not even try to investigate...they did the right thing and turned it over to the PA State Police.

Investigations like this require a great deal of research, including information from the car manufacturers to aid the engineering analysis of the accident.

Anyone who thinks an investigation like this takes only a few days is naïve.

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JohnZook

Jan-22-14 10:18 AM

I wonder if Mike voted for Obama as he is quick to point out special exemptions from the law for special organizations. And how many days in a row will we see these "crucify" letters before the facts came out? Yes I feel sorry for the family of the deceased driver, I'm sorry that this whole thing happened. But, we already have one life destroyed, will you really feel better if another is destroyed?

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spike2

Jan-22-14 10:24 AM

Thank you Erik. Sometimes it's hard to explain that crash analysis involves more than throwing a can of peas at Legos.

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leaningright

Jan-22-14 10:49 AM

Do they have recorded evidence from the in car camera or recording device? Wouldn't that pretty much answer the questions? Where is the evidence?

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enigma

Jan-22-14 10:52 AM

All those here who have been trained in traffic accident investigation, please raise your hands. Does anyone besides me have there hand raised? In the interest of full disclosure, I have never been assigned as a full time traffic accident investigator, but I did have training. I do know what it takes, and I know what it doesn't take. It doesn't require withholding information just because one of the drivers was a police officer. Also to be fair, I have never seen an entire report in the paper, only some key details as they are available and while interest is there. That's key here. By the time the full report is issued, it will be lucky to get more than a few paragraphs if that. There is critical information available now that would be released in any other accident. That's what I have a problem with. I'm not looking to hang the officer, although from what we do know, I think he is at fault, but I have a big problem with special treatment being given.

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