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Unfair lynching

February 1, 2014

Reporting the accident which caused a man’s death is news; running a headline asking if the DA is charging him yet is sensationalism and I believe taints the jury pool....

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PBlart

Feb-12-14 8:56 AM

I can guarantee all of you this incident (and your expert opinions) has changed the mindset of MANY police agencies in our area. Remember your self-righteous arm chair quarterbacking when your mother wife or daughter is being raped or attacked, police most likely will be responding in a safe no-risk manner. And you all will have contributed to an almost guaranteed surge of dope to the area, as the runners know the police will be cautious in chasing them, which will give them a greater chance of escape with their product.

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Millwe

Feb-06-14 11:52 PM

I agree Capricorn1 and I will just add that it is long overdue that the citizens of this city demand answers. Lynch mob hardly describes a quest for justice with information presented. I notice everyone is "anxious" to pin this atrocity on the drug dealer who ran a stop sign. Everyone is responsible for their actions, especially if wearing a badge!

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andy33

Feb-04-14 6:27 AM

ericwilliamsport wrote: "Isn't there also something that when a felony is committed, and resulting crimes happen from that felony, the accused is held liable? I can't recall the legal/law enforcement term. What I'm getting at, is under that idea, the ****** dealer is on the hook for involuntary manslaughter."

Yes eric, you are correct....and why isn't this guy on the hottest seat?....I hope they didn't shield him for drug info...you know...that 'snitch' crap!!!!

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JohnFoote

Feb-03-14 11:17 AM

One item that has not been addressed to this point is the high speed chase. I have always been against this for this reason. No innocent civilian should be injured or in this case killed by this action. Once the police officer has a license number the chase should end. They know who the person is and should not put others lives at risk for the apprehension of the suspect at that time. Maybe if the punishment for committing this offense INCLUDED suspension of their license forever and never being allowed to own another vehicle there wouldn't be as many of these chases. And as I stated before, it wouldn't be hard to pick the person up later at their residence.

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LaughIn

Feb-01-14 9:52 PM

This newspaper cannot report all the facts because they have burnt their bridges with local government entities. Now, this man was traveling at an excessive speed on the wrong stretch of road. Poor judgement was his error and vehicular homicide is pushing it. I have a question for the posters on here: If the victim of this tragedy would have been the drug dealer, would this even be a topic for discusión?

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fromtheport

Feb-01-14 9:28 PM

Yous is racist stop lyching mys peoples.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-01-14 8:34 PM

But, once again, the "lynching" was taking place before we knew little more than the identities of the officer and victim.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-01-14 8:33 PM

Speed can be fairly accurately determined by the crash damage. In this case, the damage to the cruiser.

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Capricorn1

Feb-01-14 5:09 PM

I know there are a whole lot of men commenting everywhere who act as if they never hit or passed 88mph. -Spike

Sure I have, but never on a city street and I've never gone 101. I can't even imagine travelling that fast down that road.

Out of curiosity, how do they determine the speed the officer was traveling? -Eric

Unless I'm mistaken, their dashboard cams record the speed they are travelling.

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Yoxtheimer

Feb-01-14 3:41 PM

The department will cut some deal that gets him off to some degree. He'll Probably be forced to resign it's doubtful he'll serve any jail time over it. The family of the victim will likely get a settlement in a civil suit against the officer. The police department and the officer are liable in any case due to the high rate of speed the cruiser was going an the pursuit policy supposedly allowing it.

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ericwilliamsport

Feb-01-14 2:34 PM

I'd have a hard time being put on this jury, that is for sure. I imagine military, and civil service brother/sisterhoods like fire and police can connect with the issue that their brother is involved in a gun-drawn incident, and the balance of public safety and the safety of their brother is a blurred line in the heat of the moment, as unfortunate the result could be. I'm not condoning it, no one could. The closest I could relate is that if a family member of mine was in trouble, the vehicle code isn't factoring much in my decision to reach them. Prayers should be with everyone involved, victims family and the officer and his family.

Isn't there also something that when a felony is committed, and resulting crimes happen from that felony, the accused is held liable? I can't recall the legal/law enforcement term. What I'm getting at, is under that idea, the ****** dealer is on the hook for involuntary manslaughter.

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ericwilliamsport

Feb-01-14 2:23 PM

Out of curiosity, how do they determine the speed the officer was traveling? GPS or other digital tracking? Or was it the evidence on scene of tire marks and skids?

Either way, it's a tough pill to swallow. If you or I were to be involved in the same situation as the speeder, it is open and shut case. In the case of law enforcement, I'm not naive enough to think there isn't collateral damage in the pursuit of justice. I'm not saying it's not tragic, it certainly is an unfortunate tragedy and the last thing anyone wants. Maybe there is more to the story I haven't read, but I do recall the officer in question was responding to a call for backup for another officer who was holding a suspect at gunpoint. I've heard rumor that that was all under control by the time the fatal accident occurred, but someone please clarify for me if that rumor is true.

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spike2

Feb-01-14 12:23 PM

Indisputable is not a standard of proof. This case needs to proceed as any other through the system. Second, we need a former police officer or someone familiar with their union to tell us what protections are afforded. treating him as any other means he proceeds in the judicial system with the same protections as anyone else. I'm not sure what should happen if he was acquitted. I know there are a whole lot of men commenting everywhere who act as if they never hit or passed 88mph.

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Tgrammiex4

Feb-01-14 9:14 AM

Well, I Guess all this frigid weather did freeze*****over cause I almost agree with Mr. Reeder.I think opinions are different because this was caused by actions of a officer while on duty.Even Police Officers are human and capable of making mistakes and having poor judgement , just like the rest of us.Let him be judged in court, they will have far more information then we will.

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CMReeder

Feb-01-14 8:50 AM

It does not stop people from forming opinions or for talking about it.

If an ordinary citizen had caused this accident resulting in death people would not writing as much expressing their opinion of the accident as well as the investigation. It was a police officer who did this and is not as open and shut as if it was if the driver was not a member of law enforcement

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Nobody

Feb-01-14 8:44 AM

What Ray Hartman didn't say is: Regardless of what the Sun Gazette wrote, and regardless of the fact that the defendant was ultimately charged with a felony(s), in this country, he is innocent until proven guilty by a jury of his peers.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-01-14 8:40 AM

Shaman said:

"...Unless, of COURSE, Benghazi is the subject-matter, right?? "

Well, if the police office said it was the fault of a video he was watching at first, and then found to be a lie (a pattern with the Obama Administration)....yeah, I guess its just like Benghazi.

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MrShaman

Feb-01-14 8:26 AM

"You all missed the point of this LTE.

Ray is admonishing those who jumped to convict this officer, and the entire police department, before any real facts were available and before the investigation was done.

That is a lynch mob mentality....and it is wrong." - eriklatranyi

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...Unless, of COURSE, Benghazi is the subject-matter, right??

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nobud74

Feb-01-14 8:23 AM

"The chase triggered a high-speed response by another police officer that ended in a fiery fatal crash with an uninvolved motorist."--SG yesterday.

I hope this is simply reporting and not an attempt to put the cause of the tragic accident on the drug dealer.

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MrShaman

Feb-01-14 8:21 AM

"There is an investigative process that takes place to determine the facts of what happened and for the news media to imply they have already found the police officer involved to be worthy of criminal charges..." - Ray Hartman

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I'm "fairly"-certain the State Police report has (already) established that.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-01-14 7:41 AM

It is the job of the justice system to ensure a fair and impartial jury and trial; I am sure that will happen.

There are probably still people in Lycoming Co that have not even heard of the incident or much of the information that has been reported.

Since he is not being charged with pre-mediated murder but a lesser charge, there will be a lot more burden on the defense attorney to get him free. I am interested in what type of defense will be offered and how it may be pitched as an unfortunate and sad accident or a committed, protective albeit over-zealous officer or a driver made a turn at a wrong time and wrong place in dark circumstances and it was unavoidable or what is an acceptable speed to travel over the limit that might be highly subjective and different for different people or two wrongs don't make a right and the penalty is too high such that a police officer and family will be deprived or a normal existence or or or or......

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Capricorn1

Feb-01-14 7:33 AM

Spike, IMO it shouldn't matter if he's been convicted of anything. The fact is he did in fact violate the vehicle code for emergency vehicles when he recklessly endangered the safety of others. That alone should be grounds for termination whether he is convicted of vehicle manslaughter or not. Are you insinuating that if this officer is found not guilty of manslaughter he should be given his job back? I'm sure you're right, the union is probably protecting him and that's BS. The police chief stated that this officer used poor judgment and the department would decide what action to take against him once a decision was made by the DA. So, what further action did they take? None. IMO the criminal charge has nothing to do with whether they have enough justification for termination and traveling 101mph on a city street, placing those around him in danger is justification enough.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-01-14 7:08 AM

You all missed the point of this LTE.

Ray is admonishing those who jumped to convict this officer, and the entire police department, before any real facts were available and before the investigation was done.

That is a lynch mob mentality....and it is wrong.

Yes, now that the investigation is complete and the charges filed, most agree this was recklessness and the officer should be punished like any other citizen.

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Tgrammiex4

Feb-01-14 6:35 AM

Cap, I think his continuing pay is the least of the taxpayer's worries . The insuing <sp> civil lawsuits will cost far more. This was a "perfect storm" of events. Speed being the main cause , but other factors in the mix too. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.A tragedy to be sure.

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spike2

Feb-01-14 6:05 AM

Cap - he has not been convicted of anything. My guess is the union contract probably requires a conviction or plea to terminate. Other unions in this area protect individuals from termination for an alleged criminal offense. He is not incarcerated and unavailable for work.How many businesses do terminate for a charge only, if the individual is not incarcerated? I bet very few.

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