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The Great Wall

February 2, 2014

Ok, here we go with Williamsport Area School District talking about raising real estate taxes to fund their mistakes....

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LauriH

Feb-07-14 12:45 PM

I am not sure what school district you and your wife are in but many of the material things that the Williamsport Area school district has spent money on were certainly not necessary at this time. I also feel that the new teachers coming out of college should really have the love and patience for children and not just pick a profession based on benefits. We need dedicated people to teach our children and we need parents to get onboard with their childs education also. Kudos to your wife for doing what she does.

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-05-14 6:28 PM

" would post Websters description but some may say that I am committing plagiarism." Nope, just saying where you got it from is fine for me. No need to use MLA here. However, a teacher may disagree.

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-05-14 6:25 PM

"Yes, and look where 8 years of Rendell's spending got us! And you expect Corbett to exceed that yet?"

Ever see the education spending chart they use against Corbett? The one where it shows how Rendell used Fed money to offset his cuts. Then the Fed cash goes bye bye and they expect PA to continue at the levels of the previous Fed backed year! Wow!

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-05-14 6:18 PM

"BubbaZanetti, I would like you to tell your wife that there are many parents out there involved with their childs education,however when we the parents attend meetings we are ignored and our ideas are overruled by a school board that has their own agenda." Agreed. She knows that. She knows quality varies school to school also. She often calls parents who appear not to be active and who don't show up to inservices etc. Hey I have a very close friend who is on a local school board. The burden of increasing pay, healthcare and pensions is huge on the taxpayers. Making the budget work is not easy. Some things cannot be cut because they are more less guaranteed or could result in strikes which nobody wants to see. Therefore it's easier to put material things on the chopping block. It stinks, I see both sides of the argument. The cost of everything is getting out of control and I don't know anybody who wants to see their taxes go up.

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LauriH

Feb-05-14 1:10 PM

cont. that are doing better than average and above. Putting children who are not doing as well into a smaller class setting is more beneficial to them and mixing them with kids who are doing well may push them to excel themselves.

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LauriH

Feb-05-14 1:05 PM

BubbaZanetti, I would like you to tell your wife that there are many parents out there involved with their childs education,however when we the parents attend meetings we are ignored and our ideas are overruled by a school board that has their own agenda. I feel they made a mistake consolidating the elementary schools in Williamsport. Round Hills Elementary had the best parents and teachers, they both cared for all of the children, it was small and close knit. What is so funny is that Round Hills kids along with the other elementary schools took the state test, not sure if its the PSSA but Round Hills scored better than any in the area, but the school board decided to close the school. Stevens scored the lowest but that school is still open that makes no sense to me. What should have been done if any school had to be closed, close stevens, split the kids between the other ones that are doing better and bring those kids up to speed, instead they are dumbing down so to speak the kids

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mikekerstetter

Feb-05-14 12:27 PM

LaughIn-"Mike-jobs can be eliminated, period."

Are you talking if you consolidate school districts into one big district? If that's the case, yes you can, and save a lot of money just in administrative costs.

If you are talking just eliminating jobs just at individual school districts, good luck. Every time you hear a school district talk about raising classroom sizes, there is a huge backlash from parents.

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JohnFoote

Feb-05-14 8:37 AM

Bubba- Sorry about the typo on plagiarism, you didn't get on Zooks case about his typo on John Hanger (Hohn), but that's cool I understand how one sided some folks can be. I may be registered as Democrat however I am open minded (as in the first description of liberal in Websters dictionary not Rush Limbaughs description of liberals). I take it as a compliment as I'm sure a lot of liberal people do when someone calls me that because I go by Websters description rather than listening to Limbaughs description. I would post Websters description but some may say that I am committing plagiarism. Look it up for yourself. You may find that calling someone a liberal is not a very good way to make a negative or derogatory statement about someone.

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LaughIn

Feb-05-14 7:43 AM

Mike-jobs can be eliminated, period.

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USABorn

Feb-05-14 5:04 AM

JohnFoote - 1:13 PM

(FROM quite within comment) "By the way has anyone looked at what the Pennsylvania State Constitution says the state’s share of Public Education should be? IT IS FIFTY PERCENT. Governor Rendell had it to forty two percent. Under Corbett it is THIRTY TWO PERCENT. How any parent or grandparent could support this Governor is beyond my comprehension."

Yes, and look where 8 years of Rendell's spending got us! And you expect Corbett to exceed that yet? How any parent or grandparent can support drunken sailor dumbocrat spending in ANY AREA, is beyond my comprehension!

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USABorn

Feb-05-14 4:53 AM

Each year WASD comes out with a figure for their budget, and how much they would have to raise the taxes to cover it. Eventually, they come out with a much lower % to raise the taxes. People are so happy when they finally settle on the lower %, they accept it.....maybe with a grumble, but still happy the board didn't adopt the higher %.

Other districts have used this(method) on occasion, particularly Muncy, it works so well!

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mikekerstetter

Feb-05-14 3:19 AM

LaughIn-"When the salaries at the top far out weigh the average income locally..."

Are you talking about administration? IE Superintendents?

I see the argument a lot, with regard to public employees, that their salaries and benefits are higher than the 'average local worker', or, as you put it, 'average local income'.

Given that the average local income includes part time workers with little education, I don't find it surprising that someone with advanced educations (a lot of Superintendents have Doctorates) are paid more. Plus, to attract good people, you have to pay a competitive salary.

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-04-14 9:50 PM

I also read her union magazine and hear about what the union people tell her. Generally they aren't talking about kids being negatively affected. More often they whine about not getting the higher pay they deserve and having to pay more for benefits. Oh and if they are given the choice to take a cut in pay (no raise) or see another teacher get cut because a program is cut, how do you think they feel about that? Yep, just blame Corbett. He's not taxing the heck out of the gas industry right? And what happens when that cow goes dry? Everybody wants their share of the state's budget.

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-04-14 9:41 PM

"I can write just fine (thanks to my education through the public school in the 60's and early 70's)and don't have to resort to plegiarism. I'm sorry that you don't know how to copy and paste" Relax. I could be an *** and bust on you for bragging about your public education and then note that you spelled plagiarism wrong. But I hate it when people do that. So yes please state your opinion in your own words which you just did. Schools are different now. Parents aren't as involved like they used to be. My wife is a teacher and claims the schools are viewed as more of a baby sitting service by the parents. What bothers us is that her union takes money from her and uses it to always support a liberal democrat. You may ask how any parent or grandparent could vote for Corbett? Us being a pro-life couple makes our choice clear and easy. Morals before money. Her job has been and still is threatened by cuts.

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JohnZook

Feb-04-14 10:40 AM

What is happening, in case you've not noticed, is the gov't is taking over the curriculum of the public school school system. The curriculum has changed from, say, learning from our history, to learning what they say our history was. WE have survived as a nation for 240 odd years, but not by engineering our history, math, social norms. Yes, there are exceptions but not to the extent of a radical 8-year plan. We say that the WWII generation is "the greatest generation". Their values and dedication to "God and country" are what made this country the envy of the world. For those who wish to continue to teach their children "traditional" curriculum, yes there should be charter schools and yes, some will be better than others. BUT, the "consumers" should still have a choice on what historically approved curriculum is taught.

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JohnFoote

Feb-04-14 7:13 AM

Bubba, I did indeed copy and paste the article that I found for Mr. Zook whom requested, I believe, to prove my statement. How else can I prove a statement to a wall that only absorbs what it wants to absorb. This article shows the result of many studies. I can write just fine (thanks to my education through the public school in the 60's and early 70's)and don't have to resort to plegiarism. I'm sorry that you don't know how to copy and paste or you could find an article to disprove this article. No I am not a teacher, I am a woodworker and have been all of my life and after 40+ years in the field I still enjoy my work because my teachers and guidance counselors guided me in the right direction to find something that I love to do.

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-03-14 11:15 PM

Hey JohnFoote, it appears you are copying word for word from the Education Justice website. That's plagiarism. I hope you're not a teacher. It says: Copyright © 2010 Education Law Center. Shall I write the webmaster?

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JohnFoote

Feb-03-14 10:33 PM

John Zook, This ones for you.CHARTER SCHOOL ACHIEVEMENT: HYPE VS. EVIDENCE The media regularly covers great charter schools, and news stories about low-performing public schools abound. It would be easy to conclude that charter schools are, on average, better than public schools. It would also be wrong. Most national research shows that on average public schools perform as well as charter schools or better. Some specific studies find benefits of charters, but biases inherent in this research mean that charter schools' overall impact remains ambiguous. Given the attention state policy-makers have been lavishing on charter schools and the particular focus they receive in the Obama administration's competitive grants and proposals for reauthorization of the federal Elementary and Secondary Education Act, it is important to separate charter hype from charter reality.

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JohnFoote

Feb-03-14 10:29 PM

John Zook, This ones for you.CHARTER SCHOOL ACHIEVEMENT: HYPE VS. EVIDENCE The media regularly covers great charter schools, and news stories about low-performing public schools abound. It would be easy to conclude that charter schools are, on average, better than public schools. It would also be wrong. Most national research shows that on average public schools perform as well as charter schools or better. Some specific studies find benefits of charters, but biases inherent in this research mean that charter schools' overall impact remains ambiguous. Given the attention state policy-makers have been lavishing on charter schools and the particular focus they receive in the Obama administration's competitive grants and proposals for reauthorization of the federal Elementary and Secondary Education Act, it is important to separate charter hype from charter reality.

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JohnZook

Feb-03-14 2:56 PM

Hohn Hanger sounds like the typical Teachers Union darling who'll throw more money away at "education", the darling word the Progressives who use the "children" as a fund-raising tool. And the failing charter schools?.. 1) Under whose conditions are they rated failing? 2) What about the many failing public schools? Are they to be ignored because the Teachers Union won't let them be shut down? 3) Comparing both the highest performing public school and charter school, which one produces the highest scores for the least amount of funding, including administration and legacy costs? I'm willing to wait for a valid and cognizant answer.

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JohnFoote

Feb-03-14 1:13 PM

tom on August 26, 2013 at 9:17 am said:

Corbett’ s attack on public education is brutal. Children are our future. By squeezing the life out of educating our children so he can give more tax breaks to the rich and his friends in the gas companies is criminal.. By the way has anyone looked at what the Pennsylvania State Constitution says the state’s share of Public Education should be? IT IS FIFTY PERCENT. Governor Rendell had it to forty two percent. Under Corbett it is THIRTY TWO PERCENT. How any parent or grandparent could support this Governor is beyond my comprehension. Because of the lack of State Funding local school taxes are going up. Don’t blame local School Boards blame Corbett directly for these raises in local taxes. If ever there was a governor who deserves to be voted out Corbett is it. When you take away. fundamental necessities as education and medical care for children you do not deserve to be considered to be a Governor of Pennsylvania

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LauriH

Feb-03-14 1:02 PM

I plan on asking that exact question. When we were attending the meetings for the school closure, and all the plans for the middle and high school were anounced,the architect who shall remain nameless literally snuck out of the meeting because he knew that we the parents were irrate at what we were hearing. I understand updating the schools but some things were not needed. The wall I am refering to is behind the school basically holding up the bank and possibly parts of Hillside Ave,that were fine before renovations began.

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JohnFoote

Feb-03-14 1:02 PM

I ran out of characters and had to start another comment!! This candidate will be running in the Democratic primary on May 20th and his name is John Hanger. He was the Public Utilities Commissioner under Bob Casey and Secretary of the Environmental Protection Agency under Rendell. He will be coming to Williamsport for a meet and greet on March 6th @ Jeremiahs above the Bullfrog Brewery. He will answer any questions that you may have about his plan and you will get a chance to talk with him one on one. I am very concerned about our education system as I have 2 granddaughters who are in elementary school.

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JohnFoote

Feb-03-14 12:53 PM

After reading all of these posts I have a few things to address. When gambling was first introduced to Pa. part of the sales pitch was that part of the revenue would go to schools to help reduce property taxes, well we all know that this hasn't happened. In the past few years the hospital and Penn College have bought up many privately owned properties that people were paying taxes on and we all know that these 2 entities are not paying taxes on all of the properties that they have purchased. So that burden goes onto the rest of us taxpayers. Corbett has cut school funding by 1 billion dollars and that makes it harder for school districts to manage their finances. There is one candidate who is running for governor this year who has a plan to restore that billion dollar cut of Corbetts, stop funding failed charter schools and fund early childhood education. He has received the highest score of all of the candidates by the Teachers Alliance Group and has the best plan for education. Cont

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LaughIn

Feb-03-14 12:40 PM

That wasn't my point Mr. Kerstetter. When the salaries at the top far out weigh the average income locally, trim if you can--and it can be done. Do the school boards dream up these ideas of beautiful campus' at the taxpayers expense? No they do not. Do they hire these visionaries who sometimes over exaggerate what the local tax base can afford, absolutely. I agree with the rest of your thoughts

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