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The Great Wall

February 2, 2014

Ok, here we go with Williamsport Area School District talking about raising real estate taxes to fund their mistakes....

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spike2

Feb-02-14 8:50 AM

We need new ways to fund the school system.

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RexJag

Feb-02-14 9:05 AM

Why was your daughter bused 1/2 mile when attending Round Hills? Just asking...

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Zippie

Feb-02-14 10:10 AM

On a lighter note ... Think of all the jobs this F up has created. More materials being used, more fuel used, more big fat payments to map and picture drawers, etc.

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LaughIn

Feb-02-14 11:00 AM

Spike- 1. No union 2. Cut administration 3. Have 1 Superintendent per County 4.Consolidate 5. DO NOT RELY ON THE LOCAL TAX BASE

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LauriH

Feb-02-14 11:31 AM

RexJag, we live on Fox Hollow Rd behind the high school I assume the reason being they consider us to be in a rural area. We live 1/4 mile from the back entrance of high school and when my older daughter attended the high school she was also bussed that short distance.

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Spigotz

Feb-02-14 2:30 PM

In the 1960s there were over 2000 school districts in Pa. Then, in the70s it was chiseled down to 669, and now it's 501. Gov. Rend ell called for trimming it down to 100, and that was in 2009. Who fought it? Not the teachers but the school boards.

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hopeforfuture

Feb-02-14 3:09 PM

Great Wall of Newberry.

Please explain???

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LauriH

Feb-02-14 5:08 PM

The meetings my husband and I attended were also attended by a good many teachers. The school board alresdy had their mind made up before the meetings even happened to close 2 or 3 of the elementary schools. So end result they close down 2 elementary and put all the money into the middle school while some 4th graders at Lyco Valley dont even have doors on there classrooms but the middle school will be climate controlled for the kids to concentrate better. Really in the 80s climate control at school was open the windows.

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mikekerstetter

Feb-03-14 4:37 AM

LaughIn-"5. DO NOT RELY ON THE LOCAL TAX BASE"

So, you want me, in Northumberland County, to help pay for your school in Williamsport?

Yeah, I know I do already with any State and Federal money you receive, but you want others to pay more of your share?

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mikekerstetter

Feb-03-14 4:40 AM

Spigotz-"In the 1960s there were over 2000 school districts in Pa. Then, in the70s it was chiseled down to 669, and now it's 501. Gov. Rend ell called for trimming it down to 100, and that was in 2009. Who fought it? Not the teachers, but the school boards."

I've said for a long time that many things should be consolidated to the county level. Schools, police departments, and fire/ems would be less costly if each Borough or Township didn't have their own.

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leaningright

Feb-03-14 8:35 AM

The school district should be told by the state (the school district needs permission from the state to go over the budgeted number) to keep within budget and cut as required to do so. I agree the "Great Wall" looks terrible, what a waste of our tax dollars. The buildings do nothing for educational value in my opinion. We deserve better representation.

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LauriH

Feb-03-14 12:12 PM

The point being we want no one to have to pay more. Williamsport school district had money from the sale of 3 schools within the last 6 months, what happened to all that money? Was it spent before the sale of the buildings? Did they not recieve what they thought they would? The money spent on that retaining wall is certainly some to blame. I have no problem paying my share for my own school district but to have to see that giant blunder daily just reminds me of the districts lack of respect for its own city taxpayers.

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mikekerstetter

Feb-03-14 12:26 PM

LauriH, that is a good question about what they did with the money. Maybe someone can ask that question at the next Board meeting.

What retaining wall are you guys talking about? Was it something that needed replaced or added to keep a bank from collapsing?

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LaughIn

Feb-03-14 12:40 PM

That wasn't my point Mr. Kerstetter. When the salaries at the top far out weigh the average income locally, trim if you can--and it can be done. Do the school boards dream up these ideas of beautiful campus' at the taxpayers expense? No they do not. Do they hire these visionaries who sometimes over exaggerate what the local tax base can afford, absolutely. I agree with the rest of your thoughts

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JohnFoote

Feb-03-14 12:53 PM

After reading all of these posts I have a few things to address. When gambling was first introduced to Pa. part of the sales pitch was that part of the revenue would go to schools to help reduce property taxes, well we all know that this hasn't happened. In the past few years the hospital and Penn College have bought up many privately owned properties that people were paying taxes on and we all know that these 2 entities are not paying taxes on all of the properties that they have purchased. So that burden goes onto the rest of us taxpayers. Corbett has cut school funding by 1 billion dollars and that makes it harder for school districts to manage their finances. There is one candidate who is running for governor this year who has a plan to restore that billion dollar cut of Corbetts, stop funding failed charter schools and fund early childhood education. He has received the highest score of all of the candidates by the Teachers Alliance Group and has the best plan for education. Cont

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JohnFoote

Feb-03-14 1:02 PM

I ran out of characters and had to start another comment!! This candidate will be running in the Democratic primary on May 20th and his name is John Hanger. He was the Public Utilities Commissioner under Bob Casey and Secretary of the Environmental Protection Agency under Rendell. He will be coming to Williamsport for a meet and greet on March 6th @ Jeremiahs above the Bullfrog Brewery. He will answer any questions that you may have about his plan and you will get a chance to talk with him one on one. I am very concerned about our education system as I have 2 granddaughters who are in elementary school.

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LauriH

Feb-03-14 1:02 PM

I plan on asking that exact question. When we were attending the meetings for the school closure, and all the plans for the middle and high school were anounced,the architect who shall remain nameless literally snuck out of the meeting because he knew that we the parents were irrate at what we were hearing. I understand updating the schools but some things were not needed. The wall I am refering to is behind the school basically holding up the bank and possibly parts of Hillside Ave,that were fine before renovations began.

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JohnFoote

Feb-03-14 1:13 PM

tom on August 26, 2013 at 9:17 am said:

Corbett’ s attack on public education is brutal. Children are our future. By squeezing the life out of educating our children so he can give more tax breaks to the rich and his friends in the gas companies is criminal.. By the way has anyone looked at what the Pennsylvania State Constitution says the state’s share of Public Education should be? IT IS FIFTY PERCENT. Governor Rendell had it to forty two percent. Under Corbett it is THIRTY TWO PERCENT. How any parent or grandparent could support this Governor is beyond my comprehension. Because of the lack of State Funding local school taxes are going up. Don’t blame local School Boards blame Corbett directly for these raises in local taxes. If ever there was a governor who deserves to be voted out Corbett is it. When you take away. fundamental necessities as education and medical care for children you do not deserve to be considered to be a Governor of Pennsylvania

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JohnZook

Feb-03-14 2:56 PM

Hohn Hanger sounds like the typical Teachers Union darling who'll throw more money away at "education", the darling word the Progressives who use the "children" as a fund-raising tool. And the failing charter schools?.. 1) Under whose conditions are they rated failing? 2) What about the many failing public schools? Are they to be ignored because the Teachers Union won't let them be shut down? 3) Comparing both the highest performing public school and charter school, which one produces the highest scores for the least amount of funding, including administration and legacy costs? I'm willing to wait for a valid and cognizant answer.

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JohnFoote

Feb-03-14 10:29 PM

John Zook, This ones for you.CHARTER SCHOOL ACHIEVEMENT: HYPE VS. EVIDENCE The media regularly covers great charter schools, and news stories about low-performing public schools abound. It would be easy to conclude that charter schools are, on average, better than public schools. It would also be wrong. Most national research shows that on average public schools perform as well as charter schools or better. Some specific studies find benefits of charters, but biases inherent in this research mean that charter schools' overall impact remains ambiguous. Given the attention state policy-makers have been lavishing on charter schools and the particular focus they receive in the Obama administration's competitive grants and proposals for reauthorization of the federal Elementary and Secondary Education Act, it is important to separate charter hype from charter reality.

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JohnFoote

Feb-03-14 10:33 PM

John Zook, This ones for you.CHARTER SCHOOL ACHIEVEMENT: HYPE VS. EVIDENCE The media regularly covers great charter schools, and news stories about low-performing public schools abound. It would be easy to conclude that charter schools are, on average, better than public schools. It would also be wrong. Most national research shows that on average public schools perform as well as charter schools or better. Some specific studies find benefits of charters, but biases inherent in this research mean that charter schools' overall impact remains ambiguous. Given the attention state policy-makers have been lavishing on charter schools and the particular focus they receive in the Obama administration's competitive grants and proposals for reauthorization of the federal Elementary and Secondary Education Act, it is important to separate charter hype from charter reality.

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-03-14 11:15 PM

Hey JohnFoote, it appears you are copying word for word from the Education Justice website. That's plagiarism. I hope you're not a teacher. It says: Copyright © 2010 Education Law Center. Shall I write the webmaster?

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JohnFoote

Feb-04-14 7:13 AM

Bubba, I did indeed copy and paste the article that I found for Mr. Zook whom requested, I believe, to prove my statement. How else can I prove a statement to a wall that only absorbs what it wants to absorb. This article shows the result of many studies. I can write just fine (thanks to my education through the public school in the 60's and early 70's)and don't have to resort to plegiarism. I'm sorry that you don't know how to copy and paste or you could find an article to disprove this article. No I am not a teacher, I am a woodworker and have been all of my life and after 40+ years in the field I still enjoy my work because my teachers and guidance counselors guided me in the right direction to find something that I love to do.

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JohnZook

Feb-04-14 10:40 AM

What is happening, in case you've not noticed, is the gov't is taking over the curriculum of the public school school system. The curriculum has changed from, say, learning from our history, to learning what they say our history was. WE have survived as a nation for 240 odd years, but not by engineering our history, math, social norms. Yes, there are exceptions but not to the extent of a radical 8-year plan. We say that the WWII generation is "the greatest generation". Their values and dedication to "God and country" are what made this country the envy of the world. For those who wish to continue to teach their children "traditional" curriculum, yes there should be charter schools and yes, some will be better than others. BUT, the "consumers" should still have a choice on what historically approved curriculum is taught.

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BubbaZanetti

Feb-04-14 9:41 PM

"I can write just fine (thanks to my education through the public school in the 60's and early 70's)and don't have to resort to plegiarism. I'm sorry that you don't know how to copy and paste" Relax. I could be an *** and bust on you for bragging about your public education and then note that you spelled plagiarism wrong. But I hate it when people do that. So yes please state your opinion in your own words which you just did. Schools are different now. Parents aren't as involved like they used to be. My wife is a teacher and claims the schools are viewed as more of a baby sitting service by the parents. What bothers us is that her union takes money from her and uses it to always support a liberal democrat. You may ask how any parent or grandparent could vote for Corbett? Us being a pro-life couple makes our choice clear and easy. Morals before money. Her job has been and still is threatened by cuts.

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