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February 5, 2014

Regarding Tim Mannello’s column Jan....

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Nobody

Feb-05-14 1:49 AM

Robert DeVaul Sr.: IMO, you are 100% correct, and Tim Mannello is 100% incorrect

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gavinf56

Feb-05-14 4:50 AM

Good letter.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-05-14 5:31 AM

You didn't build that!

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MrShaman

Feb-05-14 5:41 AM

"So first comes the idea, (a business) then the investment." - Robert DeVaul Sr.

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Due to the confusing punctuation, I'd ask...you're suggesting someone would create a business, on a whim...what you refer-to as "the idea"...rather-than based on a (recognized) consumer-need??

I'm fairly-certain it doesn't work that way. If you've got money-to-"burn"...and, are attempting to convince consumers they "need" what you're selling...you should probably save your money (instead), and get a job on Madison Avenue. They're IN the business of "creating" a need.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-05-14 7:41 AM

Bobbie2:

Liberals have no idea how businesses work, so your efforts at instruction are futile.

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Mike101054

Feb-05-14 8:08 AM

Let's face facts. Mr. Mannello and other fellow travelers like the President know little or nothing about business or how it works. They want their income distribution and to "fundamentally transform America" much to our demise!

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Steelman

Feb-05-14 8:36 AM

Here is a real motivational speaker……..

If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen

They know they didn't—look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own...

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help……..President Obama

13 People Who Came To America With Nothing And Made A Fortune - Business Insider

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USABorn

Feb-05-14 9:17 AM

Mike101054 - 8:08 AM

"They want their income distribution and to "fundamentally transform America" much to our demise!"

There are any number of videos where Dumbama made the statement that he "wanted to transform America." Then he tells O'Reilly and the rest of us, that he never said that.

Is Liar-in-Chief really so in love with himself that he thinks everyone has short memories of the garbage he spews? He is the biggest liar, hypocrite and ignorant little boy to ever set in the Oval Office.

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JohnZook

Feb-05-14 9:38 AM

At least nobody mentioned "profit"....

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underwood

Feb-05-14 9:40 AM

Let’s see now, a few people saw a need for better information processing. These visionaries worked to fill that need and invented computers and software that changed how the world works, especially business. Most, including business, only moved into the IT world when it became obvious that IT was a huge asset. The letter is correct; find a need and fill it.

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CMReeder

Feb-05-14 9:41 AM

Without a consumer need there never would be invention. Need drives invention. It is not invention that drives needs.

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z3r0c00l

Feb-05-14 9:47 AM

This is sort of a product management 101 question. There are two answers. Steve Jobs for instance, was an innovator who connected things and created opportunity that his customers never knew were possible. There are other circumstances where “build and they will come,” does not work, and indeed one needs to perform deep market research to ensure demand and viability of the idea. I call this the sustaining market because the mass market already has a demand for a known product or service. Creativity and innovation move us forward and often times the market is unaware of the need until the product is created. Continuous innovation makes a company competitive. Why? Because customers like useful new ideas that improve their lives. Did you want cloud based services 15 years ago? No, because it did not exist. Someone innovated to create the $287 billion dollar cloud services market. Without that innovation, we would not have this market. As I say, there are two answers to the question.

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Steelman

Feb-05-14 10:22 AM

Without a consumer need there never would be invention. Need drives invention. It is not invention that drives needs........... CMReeder

Contrary to popular belief.......

How These 11 Products Made Us NEED Them....Linkedin

1. Drugs and vitamins 2. Bottled Water 3. Diamonds 4. Beauty Products 5. Luxury Brands 6. Organic Food (and its kooky cousin, Whole Grain) 7. Infomercial Products 8. Coffee Starbucks 9. iPad 10. Monster Cable 11. 3D

So what's the lesson here? It's not enough to be an innovator, a world of luxury demands we also become psychologists

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underwood

Feb-05-14 10:41 AM

All of these were developed and marketed which caused consumers to believe there was a need, or at least a desire, for them. Many times marketing is what causes consumers to perceive the need for them, but often even clever marketing fails to produce enough of a market to keep a product alive.

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CMReeder

Feb-05-14 10:51 AM

So most businesses are frauds supplying us with products we were made to believe we need.

Were there is a need there will be invention. Need inspires an idea not the other way around.

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gavinf56

Feb-05-14 10:59 AM

Is an IPhone a need or a want? If I have an IPhone 5, is getting the IPhone 6 as soon as it comes out a need or a want?

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enigma

Feb-05-14 11:11 AM

"Were there is a need there will be invention. Need inspires an idea not the other way around." - Chuck

Hey look everybody, Chuck is really a free market guy. He does have it just a little wrong though. It's not need that inspires ideas, it's imagination. If what you invent is something people want it will sell. There was no need for the I-Phone, but when Apple built it, people wanted it and the smart phone was born. It's supply AND demand. It doesn't work if you have one without the other. That's why having the government messing around with the economy doesn't work. It needs to happen naturally. It cannot be forced. Free people have free markets. You can't have one without the other.

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Steelman

Feb-05-14 11:17 AM

And where does the demand come from? From the low to middle class that want to act like the rich, who in their opion should be giving them money so they can keep up with them.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-05-14 11:21 AM

There is a difference between wants and needs.

Liberals think our needs should be supplied by gov't.

Liberals think our wants are frivolous, therefore, what would be spent on wants should be given to gov't to ensure there is enough to supply our needs.

This is why socialism always results in poverty for all...except the socialist leaders.

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enigma

Feb-05-14 11:47 AM

If liberals think that consumers are what drive the economy, where do they think that the things consumers consume come from? Doesn't it seem logical that you cannot consume that which has not been produced? Productions has to come first. Don't believe me? Try living on next year's harvest. You won't make it. Try making a call on your I-Phone 6, or driving your 2015 car. Try living in that planned development. You'll freeze to death. The fact is that most goods are produced with the expectation that people will buy them, not because people have already bought them. That's were investment comes in and only people with money can invest. Still hate the rich? They make everything you have or will have possible.

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CMReeder

Feb-05-14 12:03 PM

If you don't have a consumer or consumers you have no business. Consumers drive the economy not business.

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underwood

Feb-05-14 12:10 PM

Just where are those consumers getting the money to do the consuming? A healthy economy doesn’t develop from government, it comes from government allowing it to develop.

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CMReeder

Feb-05-14 12:50 PM

Without a consumer with money you definitely have no business. Great idea keeping the people poor and out of reach of the products you are trying to sell.

With consumers you have no business.

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CMReeder

Feb-05-14 12:51 PM

Sorry that is without consumers you have no business. You have no economy without consumers.

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underwood

Feb-05-14 1:12 PM

Government adds nothing to the economy, it only takes from the economy and the bigger government gets, the more it takes. We’ve now reached the point where government is taking from the economy of future generations with the massive national debt. Anyone that can’t understand that is a fool and I’m being charitable with that description.

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