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History repeating?

February 6, 2014

A member of the local clergy wrote that our society is facing the same violent crisis as pass societies have and that we have a choice, reason or faith. He wrote of the increase in mass shooting....

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-07-14 7:58 PM

Yoxheimer,

You might read some secular historian Josephus and Jesus is mentioned. Of course there are some people that will say the early 1st, 2nd, 3rd century Christian writers didn't reference him so they want to dismiss it.

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PSUBIKER

Feb-07-14 7:47 AM

I have an idea, the next time your life is threatened just hold up a Bible that should do the trick.

Really, I can't believe some of the responses to these letters that start out making sense and have comments that either end up with a religious or political argument. By the way, where's Shaman, this is a perfect opportunity to blame the Teabaggers.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-07-14 7:10 AM

"Oh that's right light sabers don't exist an neither does Christ!" --good ole' Yoxtheimer

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Maybe you can explain why some non religious historians of the day allude to Jesus Christ.

Or maybe you can explain why many people were willing to suffer and even died because they would not denounce Jesus. A modern day terrorist may be willing to blow himself up for an ideal an imam planted in his head but the people in Jesus' time were willing to die because he was real; they saw, heard, and touched him.

Or maybe you can explain why there were not a multitude of writings from the writers at that specific date and time that said the writings of the Paul, Peter, Mark, Luke, Matthew, John, etc were inaccurate and the person Jesus Christ did not exist. It wasn't until centuries later that the facts were questioned.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-07-14 6:53 AM

and rose from the death to pay the sins of those that trust and believe in him is still there, in all legitimate translations.

I was thinking if in 500 years someone was translating the word "keyboard" to a different language, they would need to precisely date the word to get the meaning because it could mean the manual keyboard on a piano or the electric keyboard used in a band or a detachable computer keyboard or a keyboard on a laptop or a touch type tablet keyboard or now the light projected keyboards on to a hard surface or even the wood board in my laundry room where I hang up the spare car and house keys. There are not as many varied meanings of words for the translators of the Bible but these experts study these ancient languages and try to get us the more accurate translations that we can use today. Hard work and time. We can savor it.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-07-14 6:53 AM

with these minor differences and most modern translation will have footnotes pointing out the difference which are minor.

For me, I have several translations and sometimes I will read several of them to try and get the message that God was conveying. For instance KJV and NASB are great translations but in some instances they are more difficult for me to read. So I will also read an NIV or NLT to complement them and try to get a more meaningful message.

With that said, I will also go to commentaries where people study the languages and cultures of that day and by different regions. They first try to determine the writer and what message was being conveyed to the reader. Then they try to determine if or what that might mean to the reader of today.

Now don't get too critical of these translations because there are not many differences, they still do compliment each other; they don't refute or change the key meanings. Core teaching that Jesus lived, died on the cross, and r

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-07-14 6:50 AM

women whereas in some of the modern translations you will see men in some translation or men and women in other translations. Either direction that you go will bother some people. The literalists (which are generally but not always fundamentalists) will want the word "men" used. The more modern (culturally promoting) liberal people will push for the words "men and women" being used. Personally, I can figure it out with either.

Then there is the issue of which source text was used. When the KJV was used there were fewer but earlier texts used to translate from and they were more complete. Since then other manuscripts have been found in multiple locations in the Middle East in same or different languages that verify/compliment the originals but in several instance have a verse or two extra or omitted. Some of the manuscripts (just a couple of verses or multiple books) were newer and a few even older. But core teaching are verified not invalidated with thes

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-07-14 6:49 AM

"How do we know what the real translation is Texas? I watch a lot of foreign films and trust me a lot gets lost in the translation. The bible is translated and could be left at the mercy of the translator and to the person interpreting the word." --Rick424

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Good question! I guess the best answer is that for the most part they are all good translations or versions. It just takes some more hard work and study time to get at the real meaning. Even with that said, there are some things that we will never understand precisely what was meant or will still be a mystery that God and the Holy Spirit will more fully reveal.

One thing is that it is good to understand the purpose of a specific translation. Did the author try to do a literal word for word translation, or did they try to convey the intent, or did they try to make it easy reading, or did they try make something politically correct? For instance some original texts would have used men to collectively mean men and

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rick424

Feb-06-14 10:29 PM

How do we know what the real translation is Texas? I watch a lot of foreign films and trust me a lot gets lost in the translation. The bible is translated and could be left at the mercy of the translator and to the person interpreting the word. As for that split second decision on taking someone's life? There are two hot cases in Florida where they obviously made the wrong choice. Seeing that x cop crying his eyes out and all his friends and relatives saying how he was such a good guy. Oh boo hoo, you killed a guy now pay. Should have left the gun at home in a safe place.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-06-14 8:43 PM

rick:

It goes without saying that none of us are murderers.

But, we also do not want to kill.

Trust me, the responsibility of taking another human's life is not to be taken lightly.

Given that, there are times, fortunately infrequent, when we must decide between our own life and the life of an assailant or the life of a loved one and the life of an assailant.

Now, there are times when we must decide between the life of a stranger and the life of an assailant. That is the most difficult question of all.....and you only have seconds to make that decision.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-06-14 8:22 PM

Rick424,

"The KJV wording, "Thou shall not kill,"......could be more nearly defended in the early seventeenth century, when "put to death," "fall upon," "smite," and similar terms were commonly used for non-murderous killing; so the word "kill" more often than it does today included the sense of murder." --New American Commentary

So the KJV word "kill" would have conveyed the word "murder" to the people four centuries ago when it was written/translated.

So the other modern translations below reflect what was meant.

You shall not murder. (NASB) You shall not murder. (NIV) You shall not murder. (ESV) Do not murder. (HCSB) You must not murder. (NLT) You shall not murder. (NKJV) You shall not commit murder. (Amplified)

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Premier

Feb-06-14 7:15 PM

Not Yet ;}

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eriklatranyi

Feb-06-14 2:45 PM

Addendum:

None of these agencies have any law enforcement powers.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-06-14 2:44 PM

The US Post Office just put out a solicitation for suppliers of pistol ammunition. No quantities yet.

Since 2001, the U.S. Dept. of Education has been building a massive arsenal through purchases orchestrated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

The Education Dept. has spent over $80,000 so far on Glock pistols and over $17,000 on Remington shotguns.

Back in July, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration also purchased 72,000 rounds of .40 Smith & Wesson, following a 2012 purchase for 46,000 rounds of .40 S&W jacketed hollow point by the National Weather Service.

It is interesting to see who is driving the ammunition and firearm industry....not the NRA.

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mikekerstetter

Feb-06-14 2:26 PM

rick424-"And there is where I find problems with the bible, people cherry pick their ideas to suit themselves. Thank you guys."

Rick, there is no cherry picking on my part. The Bible says what it says. There were Laws for sins and there were Laws to set God's Chosen People (the Islrealites) apart. Jesus fulfilled the laws and paid for our sins, but he didn't change the sins. They are still sins. It's difficult for me to explain, but I understand it.

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leaningright

Feb-06-14 1:54 PM

What stopped the mass shooting at the naval shipyard????? A gun, thats right, a gun.

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leaningright

Feb-06-14 1:51 PM

And you will never take our gun rights away, PERIOD.

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hopeforfuture

Feb-06-14 1:01 PM

The Old Testament gave us Laws to strive to live by. Being human we can not do this so we need forgiveness and that came to the human race through Jesus. Except or not that is your choice. So simple YET so hard.

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GoBB62

Feb-06-14 12:51 PM

"And there is where I find problems with the bible, people cherry pick their ideas to suit themselves. Thank you guys." - rick424

Much in the same way you cherry pick your own ideas, right?

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ericwilliamsport

Feb-06-14 12:20 PM

Where can I pledge the governments ban letters to the editor?

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Capricorn1

Feb-06-14 12:06 PM

Sometimes I think I should stop this madness on here but I am sure if anyone of had some problem these people, left or right, would be the first to help someone. We may have our differences but for the most part these are good people. -Rick

Rick, I would give you the shirt off my back if you needed it, as I'm sure many on here would. Political affiliation has nothing to do with what's in one's heart no matter if some may say that one side of the aisle has no compassion or doesn't care. Americans are the most generous people in the world.

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Capricorn1

Feb-06-14 12:01 PM

Rick, too often folks that have the opinion such as you and Chuck are too vague as to what exactly they would like to see regarding gun control. Are you in Senator Feinstein's camp in wanting the elimination of all firearms, or would you like to see tighter regulations, and if yes, what additional regulations would you like to see? I've asked this same question to several people in the past, including Chuck, and never got an answer.

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rick424

Feb-06-14 11:49 AM

Bornhere, I am very happy with life. I cherish it every day I wake up. I always look for the good in people. because the world is a wonderful place with some wonderful people. Sometimes I think I should stop this madness on here but I am sure if anyone of had some problem these people, left or right, would be the first to help someone. We may have our differences but for the most part these are good people.

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BornHere

Feb-06-14 11:40 AM

rick, if you believe in God and you are happy and content with your life don't worry about what others may think, it's only what is in one's heart that matters.

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rick424

Feb-06-14 11:36 AM

"The U.S. is 4th in the world for gun kllings"

Yep, that is something to be real proud of. I read we are first in developed countries.

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rick424

Feb-06-14 11:19 AM

And there is where I find problems with the bible, people cherry pick their ideas to suit themselves. Thank you guys.

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